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I was referring to this: https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/25843888130839-Finale-Sunset-FAQ#h_01J603J4X4GDVMKQBPN2Q4FNTX https://makemusic.zendes

by dahart 2y ago

I was referring to this: https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/25843888130839-Finale-Sunset-FAQ#h_01J603J4X4GDVMKQBPN2Q4FNTX https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/258438881308... “Will my software continue to function? Yes! Your existing authorized Finale installations will continue to work as long as your current computer is working.” BTW, I did make the mistake of saying ‘forever’ in another comment, but FWIW ‘indefinitely’ doesn’t mean forever. Also, it doesn’t matter what I say, I don’t work for MakeMusic, just read the whole FAQ.

gspencley 2y ago
> but FWIW ‘indefinitely’ doesn’t mean forever You just really like arguing for the sake of arguing don't you? I'm sure that if I opened a dictionary I would find the distinction, but most people treat the words 'indefinitely' and 'forever' as synonymous. Nit-picking on that minutia kind of makes you come across like the obnoxious little brother who does the "But I'm not touching you!" thing to his sister. It's just annoying and most reasonable people know exactly how 'indefinitely' and 'forever' will be interpreted.
wvenable 2y ago
"...will continue to work as long as your current computer is working." This doesn't seem dumb to you?
- dahart 2y ago
  Yeah sure, in a way. It’s kinda dumb in the sense that ‘as long as your computer is working’ actually means ‘ending soon’, for the majority of people in the real world. That seems obvious though. Few people if anyone can keep their current computer working with a software app that freezes. It might stop working in a year, it might be more than that, or might be less than that (which they explicitly admit re: Sequoia). It’s a sort of glass-half-full spin, perhaps, but doesn’t seem misleading to me in light of all the FAQ entries and the letter. They are very clearly and explicitly recommending users move off of Finale asap, and not wait for the computer to stop working, whatever that might mean. If someone really truly depends on Finale professionally, and can’t move within a year, it’s not outside the bounds of possibility to freeze their computer, buy a new one for everything else, and keep Finale running for a while. I would in no way recommend that, but I’ve seen people do it before.
  - wvenable 2y ago
    It's not their job to revoke access to a product that I paid for regardless of the reason. If they sold me that product I should be able to pop that software into a Windows 10 VM and use it till the end of time.
    - dahart 2y ago
      I guess that depends on what they want, and what their agreement with Steinberg is, and maybe the EULA, and maybe how much money and time they have to maintain an auth server machine. What you’re actually complaining about is the fact that the software was remotely authorized in the first place, starting over 3 decades ago, not that it was discontinued and will stop. It’s fine and fair to be against the idea of releasing software that requires remote authorization, I’m not arguing against that idea. But if you are, then don’t buy it in the first place. Software that is remotely authorized always comes with the risk that authorization will go away, it would be pretty silly to assume otherwise.
      - EvanAnderson 2y ago
        > Software that is remotely authorized always comes with the risk that authorization will go away, it would be pretty silly to assume otherwise. Consumers don't know this. This is why we need consumer protection regulation to control these practices.
        dahart 2y ago
        Nobody who bought is unaware that it’s remotely authorized. And, there’s a 30 day refund policy, so if they find out after purchase, they can change their mind. You might have a point when it comes to, say, MS Windows, but not Finale.
        EvanAnderson 2y ago
        > Nobody who bought is unaware that it’s remotely authorized. You're radically overestimating the understanding of consumers. The target market for a product like Finale is decidedly not "IT people".

by dahart 2y ago

gspencley 2y ago

> but FWIW ‘indefinitely’ doesn’t mean forever You just really like arguing for the sake of arguing don't you? I'm sure that if I opened a dictionary I would find the distinction, but most people treat the words 'indefinitely' and 'forever' as synonymous. Nit-picking on that minutia kind of makes you come across like the obnoxious little brother who does the "But I'm not touching you!" thing to his sister. It's just annoying and most reasonable people know exactly how 'indefinitely' and 'forever' will be interpreted.

wvenable 2y ago

"...will continue to work as long as your current computer is working." This doesn't seem dumb to you?

dahart 2y ago
Yeah sure, in a way. It’s kinda dumb in the sense that ‘as long as your computer is working’ actually means ‘ending soon’, for the majority of people in the real world. That seems obvious though. Few people if anyone can keep their current computer working with a software app that freezes. It might stop working in a year, it might be more than that, or might be less than that (which they explicitly admit re: Sequoia). It’s a sort of glass-half-full spin, perhaps, but doesn’t seem misleading to me in light of all the FAQ entries and the letter. They are very clearly and explicitly recommending users move off of Finale asap, and not wait for the computer to stop working, whatever that might mean. If someone really truly depends on Finale professionally, and can’t move within a year, it’s not outside the bounds of possibility to freeze their computer, buy a new one for everything else, and keep Finale running for a while. I would in no way recommend that, but I’ve seen people do it before.
- wvenable 2y ago
  It's not their job to revoke access to a product that I paid for regardless of the reason. If they sold me that product I should be able to pop that software into a Windows 10 VM and use it till the end of time.
  - dahart 2y ago
    I guess that depends on what they want, and what their agreement with Steinberg is, and maybe the EULA, and maybe how much money and time they have to maintain an auth server machine. What you’re actually complaining about is the fact that the software was remotely authorized in the first place, starting over 3 decades ago, not that it was discontinued and will stop. It’s fine and fair to be against the idea of releasing software that requires remote authorization, I’m not arguing against that idea. But if you are, then don’t buy it in the first place. Software that is remotely authorized always comes with the risk that authorization will go away, it would be pretty silly to assume otherwise.
    - EvanAnderson 2y ago
      > Software that is remotely authorized always comes with the risk that authorization will go away, it would be pretty silly to assume otherwise. Consumers don't know this. This is why we need consumer protection regulation to control these practices.
      - dahart 2y ago
        Nobody who bought is unaware that it’s remotely authorized. And, there’s a 30 day refund policy, so if they find out after purchase, they can change their mind. You might have a point when it comes to, say, MS Windows, but not Finale.
        EvanAnderson 2y ago
        > Nobody who bought is unaware that it’s remotely authorized. You're radically overestimating the understanding of consumers. The target market for a product like Finale is decidedly not "IT people".