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Center-right, I'd argue, but that's true of the Democratic party. HN is very far from far-right in that bigotry and racism isn't tolerated here (nor should they

Center-right, I'd argue, but that's true of the Democratic party. HN is very far from far-right in that bigotry and racism isn't tolerated here (nor should they be). But HN is USA in origin and USA politics are further right than most of Europe.

sangnoir 2y ago
> HN is very far from far-right in that bigotry and racism isn't tolerated here (nor should they be). As in no outright slurs, right? I've seen plenty of race realist comments, as well as "James Damore is right about women in tech".
hnpolicestate 2y ago
Moderators don't tolerate bigotry and racism on HN. I agree with that. But there were quite a few comments yesterday discussing Fyodor Dostoevsky who implied it was impossible for Russia to produce culture because it's people are monsters or something. Extreme ethnic hatred. So the users within the software community share many of the same faults regarding bigotry that the rest of humanity has. Same goes for commentary on Chinese people or Palestinians, though nowhere near as extreme in animosity as that towards the Russian.
- dang 2y ago
  Just by coincidence, I was posting some moderation comments in that thread a couple hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41379890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41379890. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, that by no means implies that the post is ok or somehow blessed by the mods. The likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it*. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. You can help by flagging such a post or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. It was only because someone brought those unacceptable comments to my attention that I was able to respond. We can't moderate what we don't see! * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
Sunspark 2y ago
The general problem with "racism" online is that people tend to use the word for things that they don't like hearing. E.g. there is an issue of some sort, let's say unemployment caused by subsidized temporary foreign workers being brought in to act as wage suppression for corporations. Saying that you have a concern with policy can often result in a response of "that's racist!". This is a variation of the little boy who cried wolf. If "racism!" is cried for every single little thing that needs discussion, then one day it actually is racism and nobody will be listening.
- immibis 2y ago
  Very few people ever complain about this in an egalitarian way, though, like: if wages are too low, let's make them higher. If the market isn't doing what we want, we should change the market. Instead, it's always about how the immigrants should be locked up or deported. And that's always about immigrants from Mexico, never from Canada or other places.
  - Sunspark 2y ago
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    - immibis 2y ago
      Aren't most people eligible for $150,000 loans to buy houses?
      - Sunspark 2y ago
        If you're a legal resident of the country yes, but now the California Senate has passed the bill allowing undocumented illegals to be eligible for a state-backed loan of $150,000 for them to purchase housing in California. Congratulations to the California taxpayers who are now subsidizing people who walked across the border without paperwork.
consteval 2y ago
Sure nobody says slurs. But I see misogyny and what I would classify as racist every time I'm on hackernews. Complaining about Indians, complaining about women. But they don't even know that's what they're doing so you can't say "hey stop being sexist". They're surrounded by men all the time, of course it will never click in their heads.
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sangnoir 2y ago

> HN is very far from far-right in that bigotry and racism isn't tolerated here (nor should they be). As in no outright slurs, right? I've seen plenty of race realist comments, as well as "James Damore is right about women in tech".

hnpolicestate 2y ago

Moderators don't tolerate bigotry and racism on HN. I agree with that. But there were quite a few comments yesterday discussing Fyodor Dostoevsky who implied it was impossible for Russia to produce culture because it's people are monsters or something. Extreme ethnic hatred. So the users within the software community share many of the same faults regarding bigotry that the rest of humanity has. Same goes for commentary on Chinese people or Palestinians, though nowhere near as extreme in animosity as that towards the Russian.

dang 2y ago
Just by coincidence, I was posting some moderation comments in that thread a couple hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41379890 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41379890. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, that by no means implies that the post is ok or somehow blessed by the mods. The likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it*. We don't come close to seeing everything that gets posted here. You can help by flagging such a post or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. It was only because someone brought those unacceptable comments to my attention that I was able to respond. We can't moderate what we don't see! * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=likeliest%20explanation%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Sunspark 2y ago

The general problem with "racism" online is that people tend to use the word for things that they don't like hearing. E.g. there is an issue of some sort, let's say unemployment caused by subsidized temporary foreign workers being brought in to act as wage suppression for corporations. Saying that you have a concern with policy can often result in a response of "that's racist!". This is a variation of the little boy who cried wolf. If "racism!" is cried for every single little thing that needs discussion, then one day it actually is racism and nobody will be listening.

immibis 2y ago
Very few people ever complain about this in an egalitarian way, though, like: if wages are too low, let's make them higher. If the market isn't doing what we want, we should change the market. Instead, it's always about how the immigrants should be locked up or deported. And that's always about immigrants from Mexico, never from Canada or other places.
- Sunspark 2y ago
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  - immibis 2y ago
    Aren't most people eligible for $150,000 loans to buy houses?
    - Sunspark 2y ago
      If you're a legal resident of the country yes, but now the California Senate has passed the bill allowing undocumented illegals to be eligible for a state-backed loan of $150,000 for them to purchase housing in California. Congratulations to the California taxpayers who are now subsidizing people who walked across the border without paperwork.

consteval 2y ago

Sure nobody says slurs. But I see misogyny and what I would classify as racist every time I'm on hackernews. Complaining about Indians, complaining about women. But they don't even know that's what they're doing so you can't say "hey stop being sexist". They're surrounded by men all the time, of course it will never click in their heads.

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