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Are you saying Zuck is lying about being asked by the White House to censor content or regretting it?

by bko 2y ago

Malidir 2y ago
Neither, he is getting onto the bandwagon that he (and his well paid pr team) know is populist. He is a billionaire who is hated, and now has changed his image entirely. Following in Elon's path. People tend not to change their colours at a later age, and he is a cutthroat business guy. Lots of ongoing commentary over the years that he really wants to be President. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg-be-our-next-president https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg...
- shepherdjerred 2y ago
  I'd vote for him over most of the recent candidates
  - Apocryphon 2y ago
    Why, does PRISM need a more direct funnel to the data spigot?
    - shepherdjerred 2y ago
      No, because he's only old enough to be my parent rather than my great grandparent.
      - iknowstuff 2y ago
        Kamala is 59. Is there a problem with 59?
        unsignednoop 2y ago
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        shepherdjerred 2y ago
        She's still older than average (which is 55 yrs): https://potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/ https://potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/ I don't think that age is everything, but I feel like it is a significant factor. At the very least, it is very frustrating as a younger person that the vast majority of our lawmakers are _very_ old. This has (historically, but not recently) been more of a problem with congress: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/aging-congress-boomers/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/aging-congress-boomers/
        beachy 2y ago
        As a (just) boomer, I'd be in favor of having the voting age lowered to 16. Certainly there are many reckless, feckless and uninformed 16 year olds, but the standard of debate coming from the seniors in the room is horrifying and needs to be diluted by the people who have the biggest stake in our planet's future.
        louthy 2y ago
        This is happening in the UK. It was in Labour’s manifesto (and they were recently elected)
        nirav72 2y ago
        Why would lowering to 16 from 18 make a difference? Plenty of data out there shows that age demographic is the least likely to show up on election day and vote.
        generj 2y ago
        There is some evidence getting people to vote earlier results in them being more consistent voters over time. And they would potentially be fresh off a civics class.
        nirav72 2y ago
        That's interesting. I'll have to dig into this.
      - Apocryphon 2y ago
        Then vote for Chase Oliver. Not saying that you wouldn't, it's just if you're going to be talking about political hypotheticals, there are still actual alternatives to pulling the lever for Zuckerberg.
- jzb 2y ago
  Elon's path may not be the best path to popularity. If Zuck wants popularity, maybe a good way to go about that would be to de-shittify Facebook, Instagram, and so forth so that those platforms respect their users.
  - decremental 2y ago
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  - Malidir 2y ago
    But then the income would drop and his yacht may be found capsized!!
- refurb 2y ago
  But what he said is true? The Whitehouse pressured Facebook to remove or reduce visibility of politically inconvenient facts? That seems like the issue here, but nobody seems to care.
rsingel 2y ago
The only White House request to censor was from Trump mad at being called a vulgarity by Chrissy Teigen. https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/02/20/james-comers-twitter-hearing-confirmed-donald-trumps-censorship-attempt-and-matt-taibbis-censorship-about-it/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/02/20/james-comers-twitter-h... Being pressured to enforce your own terms of service by the government ain't censorship. Zuckerberg is a coward, afraid to stand up to Jim Jordan. What a pathetic letter
- Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
  > Being pressured to enforce your own terms of service by the government ain't censorship. When your ToS are vague enough to apply to just about anything (as most are), it absolutely can be.
  - Blot2882 2y ago
    Not really? They control the ToS and are not under special obligation to enforce them correctly from the government.

Are you saying Zuck is lying about being asked by the White House to censor content or regretting it?

by bko 2y ago

Are you saying Zuck is lying about being asked by the White House to censor content or regretting it?

Neither, he is getting onto the bandwagon that he (and his well paid pr team) know is populist. He is a billionaire who is hated, and now has changed his image entirely. Following in Elon's path. People tend not to change their colours at a later age, and he is a cutthroat business guy. Lots of ongoing commentary over the years that he really wants to be President. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg-be-our-next-president https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg...

shepherdjerred 2y ago
I'd vote for him over most of the recent candidates
- Apocryphon 2y ago
  Why, does PRISM need a more direct funnel to the data spigot?
  - shepherdjerred 2y ago
    No, because he's only old enough to be my parent rather than my great grandparent.
    - iknowstuff 2y ago
      Kamala is 59. Is there a problem with 59?
      - unsignednoop 2y ago
        [dead]
      - shepherdjerred 2y ago
        She's still older than average (which is 55 yrs): https://potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/ https://potus.com/presidential-facts/age-at-inauguration/ I don't think that age is everything, but I feel like it is a significant factor. At the very least, it is very frustrating as a younger person that the vast majority of our lawmakers are _very_ old. This has (historically, but not recently) been more of a problem with congress: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/aging-congress-boomers/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/aging-congress-boomers/
        beachy 2y ago
        As a (just) boomer, I'd be in favor of having the voting age lowered to 16. Certainly there are many reckless, feckless and uninformed 16 year olds, but the standard of debate coming from the seniors in the room is horrifying and needs to be diluted by the people who have the biggest stake in our planet's future.
        louthy 2y ago
        This is happening in the UK. It was in Labour’s manifesto (and they were recently elected)
        nirav72 2y ago
        Why would lowering to 16 from 18 make a difference? Plenty of data out there shows that age demographic is the least likely to show up on election day and vote.
        generj 2y ago
        There is some evidence getting people to vote earlier results in them being more consistent voters over time. And they would potentially be fresh off a civics class.
        nirav72 2y ago
        That's interesting. I'll have to dig into this.
    - Apocryphon 2y ago
      Then vote for Chase Oliver. Not saying that you wouldn't, it's just if you're going to be talking about political hypotheticals, there are still actual alternatives to pulling the lever for Zuckerberg.
jzb 2y ago
Elon's path may not be the best path to popularity. If Zuck wants popularity, maybe a good way to go about that would be to de-shittify Facebook, Instagram, and so forth so that those platforms respect their users.
- decremental 2y ago
  [dead]
- Malidir 2y ago
  But then the income would drop and his yacht may be found capsized!!
refurb 2y ago
But what he said is true? The Whitehouse pressured Facebook to remove or reduce visibility of politically inconvenient facts? That seems like the issue here, but nobody seems to care.

rsingel 2y ago

The only White House request to censor was from Trump mad at being called a vulgarity by Chrissy Teigen. https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/02/20/james-comers-twitter-hearing-confirmed-donald-trumps-censorship-attempt-and-matt-taibbis-censorship-about-it/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/02/20/james-comers-twitter-h... Being pressured to enforce your own terms of service by the government ain't censorship. Zuckerberg is a coward, afraid to stand up to Jim Jordan. What a pathetic letter

Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
> Being pressured to enforce your own terms of service by the government ain't censorship. When your ToS are vague enough to apply to just about anything (as most are), it absolutely can be.
- Blot2882 2y ago
  Not really? They control the ToS and are not under special obligation to enforce them correctly from the government.