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In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them a
by Malidir 2y ago
In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson, he mentions how he (VK) met with Zuckerberg, and he told them new features they were planning. And Zuck nicked them all.
Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says.
- NotAnOtter 2y agoZuck Vs Elon on the 2028 presidential ticket would be.... something
- jpadkins 2y agoElon was born in Africa and is not eligible to be president.
- immibis 2y agoThe rules don't apply to the people who make them. What do you expect is going to happen if he does show up on the ballot and the most people vote for him?
- wodenokoto 2y agoZuckerberg vs trump, would also pretty much be Facebook vs x
- chrisco255 2y agoTrump's not going to be able to run for a third term.
- reaperducer 2y agoTrump's not going to be able to run for a third term. He says he won the last election, so he's already running for a third term.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoHe didn’t have a second term, even if it’s true social media was censored to help his opponent.
- artificialLimbs 2y ago[flagged]
- blue_dragon 2y agoCan you please cite the court case that proves Trump won in 2020? Regardless of how many people believe that the Democrats cheated, asserting that Trump won AND that his alleged victory was proven in court is quite a bold claim. Post proof or gtfo.
- wodenokoto 2y agoHarris can still win.
- FireBeyond 2y agoWell, he's also on video recently at a church saying, "I need you to come out and vote for me. And if things work out the way we want, you won't need to vote again."
- zo1 2y agoApparently this is the smoking gun and Trump is going to become dictator for life? Is this where we are in the debate? You might as well be talking about what kind of ice-cream he likes then.
- LunaSea 2y agoYou mean the level of debate where people take a candidate's word into account. Yes, what a silly thing to do.
- arandomusername 2y agoCome on, we both know that he means (specially if you read the full context) that there will be no reason to vote afterwards (to a group that seldom votes) because their wishes/goals will be delievered by trump. He was just trying to convince them that this election matters most.
- FireBeyond 2y ago> to a group that seldom votes Seniors and church-goers? Citation needed. > He was just trying to convince them that this election matters most. Sure. And he said he was going to "act as a dictator from day 1" (after saying repeatedly that "America could benefit from a dictatorship" and praising what other dictators "have been able to do for their country") for what reason? He said he'd terminate the constitution. The guy who just got indicted again for his BS on and around Jan 6. Really, he just means "I'll fix the country so well, and there will be so much love, that people will be happy to keep voting us back in". I don't think he'll succeed. I don't think he'll be elected. But if you think there's not a part of Trump that wants to be President For Life, and will if he thinks he can get away with it, then ... you haven't been listening to him.
- kredd 2y agoFacebook has insane pull. Sometimes I forget about it, but it is used by majority of every single demographic base once you consider different portions of the FB app (markets, groups, messenger), Instagram, WhatsApp and Threads (don’t think it is that relevant yet). That being said, to my understanding, Meta has been trying to move itself away from political-adjacent conversations. While Twitter is completely the opposite, and thrives on poli-rage.
- lolinder 2y agoMore specifically, he was born in Africa and neither one of his parents was a US citizen. While all past presidents were born in the USA, it hasn't yet been definitively ruled that you must be born on US soil to be a "natural born Citizen", and my understanding is that you likely don't, you just need to have been a US citizen at birth rather than naturalized later.
- amy-petrik-214 2y ago[flagged]
- talldatethrow 2y ago[flagged]
- beedeebeedee 2y ago> Also, he's almost as toxic to the left as Trump is at this point because he doesn't want kids to be transitioned and doesn't think people that say mean things (or things someone in particular thinks are mean) are automatically bad people. That's a pretty big understatement about all the wacky, inept and dumb things he has said (and presumably believes)
- zer00eyz 2y ago> want kids to be transitioned If you go back 4 years, Trans and Black Lives Matter very much dominated the DNC, and those topics today get barely a whistle. I read the whole DNC platform, it's very much not what it was a few years ago. Meanwhile the VP candidate on the other side has a non white, non Cristian wife and has very much repudiated the racist part of the party. I suspect that in 4-8 years you will have seen some massive shift in US politics and party platforms away from where we are today. Because it looks like both sides are making some pivots Zuckerberg sees the writing on the wall. I suspect that he would rather see a trump admin and avoid an anti-trust fight or privacy legislation.
- code_duck 2y ago[flagged]
- mensetmanusman 2y agoBasically is doing a lot of non charitable work there.
- estebank 2y ago> because he doesn't want kids to be transitioned and doesn't think people that say mean things (or things someone in particular thinks are mean) are automatically bad people. Characterising the critiques of Musk in this way is not only reductive, but flat out wrong.
- HybridCurve 2y agoFor a while it seemed like they might have it out in a cage match, can we just do that instead?
- preciousoo 2y ago“During their dialogue, both tech leaders probed each other’s intentions for expansion. “I remember him asking me whether we were planning to start something on a global basis, on the global level, go for international expansion. I said no,” Durov recalled. Zuckerberg similarly denied any plans to target Durov's domestic market, yet both moved to expand their respective reaches shortly after the meeting. “We both ended up doing exactly that in two or three weeks,” Durov noted.” https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/06/39223122/telegrams-pavel-durov-recalls-funny-2009-meeting-with-mark-zuckerberg-they-ended-up-trying-to-copy-n https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/06/39223122/telegrams-pavel...
- chrisco255 2y agoGotta be honest, if I was talking to a competitor I'd lie about whatever non-public product expansion plans I had too.
- preciousoo 2y agoThat's why I brought the quote, let people draw their own conclusions. Mark isn't to be trusted for a variety of reasons, that conversation isn't one of them lol. Durov was laughing because they both lied to each other
- bko 2y agoAre you saying Zuck is lying about being asked by the White House to censor content or regretting it?
- Malidir 2y agoNeither, he is getting onto the bandwagon that he (and his well paid pr team) know is populist. He is a billionaire who is hated, and now has changed his image entirely. Following in Elon's path. People tend not to change their colours at a later age, and he is a cutthroat business guy. Lots of ongoing commentary over the years that he really wants to be President. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg-be-our-next-president https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/will-mark-zuckerberg...
- shepherdjerred 2y agoI'd vote for him over most of the recent candidates
- Apocryphon 2y agoWhy, does PRISM need a more direct funnel to the data spigot?
- shepherdjerred 2y agoNo, because he's only old enough to be my parent rather than my great grandparent.
- iknowstuff 2y agoKamala is 59. Is there a problem with 59?
- unsignednoop 2y ago[dead]
- subsubzero 2y agoAgree, Zuck has zero integrity and I think he sees the tea leaves in where things are headed in November and is trying to say he was bullied into making alot of disastrous decisions that he and he only ordered for an administration/party that he personally donated $400M+ to.
- somewhat_drunk 2y ago>he sees the tea leaves in where things are headed in November Things are headed strongly in the opposite direction you're implying.
- h3rsko 2y ago[flagged]
- EricDeb 2y agoProbably zuck is just trying to seem neutral however it shakes out in November
- UncleOxidant 2y agoSome of this stuff happened in 2020 (who was president in 2020?) and some of it happened later. So seems to be saying the both teams were playing the game if you read between the lines (ie. you're likely right).
- BadHumans 2y agoThe funny thing about this thread is that I have no idea where the Trump starts and the Harris ends. I have learned nothing about anyone's political stances from this back and forth.
- somewhat_drunk 2y agoIt's difficult to parse subsubzero's post after his edit, but he's saying Zuck believes Trump will win in 2024, so Zuck's spinning a narrative that he was forced to remove COVID misinformation, because COVID misinformation was largely a right-wing phenomenon. My response to him was to point out that Harris is strong and trending stronger, while Trump is weak, so the tea leaves are saying the opposite of what he thinks they're saying.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoSo what? Pavel nicked the entire concept of Facebook from Zuckerberg.
- preciousoo 2y agoHell even Telegram(esp in earlier days) looks like a Whatsapp re-skin to the untrained eye
- kaba0 2y agoHeh? I mean, how many ways could a chat app look? At one point, it’s just a list of conversations, clicking on one showing a list of messages.
- preciousoo 2y agoThere's tons of chat products that don't look like telegram or whatsapp. Have you used both of them?
- properpopper 2y agoMaybe they are now ( haven't used Whatsapp in a while ), but not 5-10 years ago
- preciousoo 2y agoI discovered telegram around 2017 and I thought it was a fake whatsapp at first. Idk about 10 years ago, but 5 years ago it def did look like a re-skin
- halyconWays 2y ago>Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says. You can tell because the lizard has begun looksmaxing However, we know from numerous leaks now that the White House has indeed pressured every major social media company to target specific citizens and censor them.
- cheema33 2y ago> And Zuck nicked them all. I am assuming you believed him because he provided some evidence to support his claims?
- swader999 2y agoI'm guessing he's privy to political sentiment and is front running that to mitigate a new more combative administration.
- TiredOfLife 2y agoThe same Pavel that visited Russia more than 50 times since his "exile" in 2014?. https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-visited-russia-more-than-50-times-since-his-exile-in-2014/ https://istories.media/en/news/2024/08/27/pavel-durov-has-vi...
- stiltzkin 2y ago[dead]
- drdaeman 2y ago> In Pavel's interview with Tucker Carlson He also said that he doesn't visit Russia anymore, yet a recent FSB leak indicates that he was frequenting there. And before that he heavily marketed Telegram as ad-free forever. And before that there were quite weird populist PR tactics when professional cryptographers pointed out Telegram's crypto is a mess. YMMV, but I wouldn't trust a single word from this guy.
- dmix 2y agoHas that FSB leak analysis been vetted by anyone besides that Russian newspaper that published it? If it's true then he was reckless in his traveling not just to France.
- jaykru 2y ago> Telegram's crypto is a mess Telegram's crypto may be weird, as the professional cryptographers you allude to have pointed out; I don't know, not being a cryptography expert. But MTProto 2.0 has been shown to enjoy many nice security properties (including a version of forward secrecy, though one afaik not as good as that enjoyed by Signal): formal proofs available here https://github.com/miculan/telegram-mtproto2-verification/tree/master?tab=readme-ov-file https://github.com/miculan/telegram-mtproto2-verification/tr... and some peer reviewed papers describing the formal verification effort are linked to there as well. Considering that I think calling Telegram's crypto "a mess" is misleading.
- next_xibalba 2y agoIsn't this just competition?
- torlok 2y agoTuckster is an "anti-elite" heir to a fortune who grew up in a castle. The only job he ever had was outrage baiting naive people. People like him are against regulation, but will clap any time big tech is dragged in front of congress. It's all a scam. You're being had. Why are you treating any part of his interviews as valid information.
- properpopper 2y ago> Why are you treating any part of his interviews as valid information. Why should I treat your comment as valid information?
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- vixen99 2y agoI wonder if you're incapable of seeing what's amiss with your 'hack' job on Carlson.
- Blot2882 2y agoNo hack job needed on someone who can't call themselves news without going to jail. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-news-didnt-want-you-to-read.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/05/all-the-texts-fox-ne...
- torlok 2y agoFantastic arguments. You forgot to tip your fedora.
- bob_theslob646 2y ago>Zuck is on a major PR campaign drive, I would not trust a word he says Exactly this. It is incredible bizarre how his imagine has taken such a drastic turn from being a "hacker" to a "Jiu-Jitsu bro."
- willsoon 2y agoHN already take a side.
- dilyevsky 2y agoOne liar is lying to another liar about third liar