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I bet the solution is heavy on "access to clean water, food, security from war and violence, and education", amirite? sure let's fire up the "IQ science" ma

by zzzeek 2y ago

I bet the solution is heavy on "access to clean water, food, security from war and violence, and education", amirite? sure let's fire up the "IQ science" machine to give us reasons to not have to do something so boring as to improve the lives of those living in developing nations.

marcuskane2 2y ago
I think you've misunderstood the comment you're responding to. They're suggesting that to give the optimal assistance to those countries, the IQ of the current adult population needs to be considered as an important variable in the equation, but it's taboo and stigmatized to discuss or acknowledge, so the people get sub-optimal solutions instead. If you want to help some community in need, but you're not allowed to address certain taboo topics- IQ, substance abuse, STDs, domestic abuse, religious beliefs or cultural norms, whatever may be relevant for that group, then you're probably not going to design your programs for assistance in the best way.
- zzzeek 2y ago
  > I think you've misunderstood the comment you're responding to. respectfully I would suggest you've misunderstood mine
- AmericanChopper 2y ago
  Well that’s certainly true, but my main point is that you want to study what interventions can be deployed to raise the IQ in these places. This absolutely is not being studied in any serious way, and I doubt it feasibly could be in the current academic climate. Obvious suggestions like “clean water and food” aren’t specifically helpful in any way, because this issue exists in plenty of countries that don’t have widespread issues with access to calories and bottled water.
horns4lyfe 2y ago
And if you don’t take into account characteristics of the population you’re trying to introduce these things to, you’ll fail.
- zzzeek 2y ago
  the notion that one of these characteristics could plausibly be "the population is less intelligent on average than other populations around the world, controlling for all other factors such as health care, education, happiness, etc.", that's what we call racist. it's why attempting to "study" such things are rightly frowned upon.
  - AmericanChopper 2y ago
    Science starts with questions and hypothesis, not with conclusions. I personally don’t think it’s significantly related to any of the factors you’ve listed (or with genetics either), but thanks to perspectives like the one you’re presenting here, the only possible outcome is that the world will permanently have a large low-IQ underclass (which as other have mentioned ITT, perhaps that is something a lot of people want).

by zzzeek 2y ago

marcuskane2 2y ago

I think you've misunderstood the comment you're responding to. They're suggesting that to give the optimal assistance to those countries, the IQ of the current adult population needs to be considered as an important variable in the equation, but it's taboo and stigmatized to discuss or acknowledge, so the people get sub-optimal solutions instead. If you want to help some community in need, but you're not allowed to address certain taboo topics- IQ, substance abuse, STDs, domestic abuse, religious beliefs or cultural norms, whatever may be relevant for that group, then you're probably not going to design your programs for assistance in the best way.

zzzeek 2y ago
> I think you've misunderstood the comment you're responding to. respectfully I would suggest you've misunderstood mine
AmericanChopper 2y ago
Well that’s certainly true, but my main point is that you want to study what interventions can be deployed to raise the IQ in these places. This absolutely is not being studied in any serious way, and I doubt it feasibly could be in the current academic climate. Obvious suggestions like “clean water and food” aren’t specifically helpful in any way, because this issue exists in plenty of countries that don’t have widespread issues with access to calories and bottled water.

horns4lyfe 2y ago

And if you don’t take into account characteristics of the population you’re trying to introduce these things to, you’ll fail.

zzzeek 2y ago
the notion that one of these characteristics could plausibly be "the population is less intelligent on average than other populations around the world, controlling for all other factors such as health care, education, happiness, etc.", that's what we call racist. it's why attempting to "study" such things are rightly frowned upon.
- AmericanChopper 2y ago
  Science starts with questions and hypothesis, not with conclusions. I personally don’t think it’s significantly related to any of the factors you’ve listed (or with genetics either), but thanks to perspectives like the one you’re presenting here, the only possible outcome is that the world will permanently have a large low-IQ underclass (which as other have mentioned ITT, perhaps that is something a lot of people want).