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It's like shouting "Fire!" in a burning theater!

blueflow 2y ago
Worse. Its like someone shouting "Fire! We are dead in 5 seconds!". People who are still alive after 5 seconds will correctly figure that this is a liar and possibly also assume that there is no fire at all. Boy who cried wolf.
- abeppu 2y ago
  Except, they don't say we are dead in 5 seconds. They say stuff like "The trends reveal new all-time climate-related records and deeply concerning patterns of climate-related disasters." The records being set is pretty objectively true. The "deeply concerning" part involves a little perspective taking, but more/stronger storms, heat waves, etc with impacts on insurance, the power grid and public health are reasonable causes for concern. They don't say we're all gonna die. They don't say anything about such a short time period as 5 seconds. You're accusing them of being alarmist, but the way you're describing their claims is itself a false and hyperbolic caricature.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    You are under siege! First sentence in article. Make sure your walls hold.
- mikkom 2y ago
  I don't see anyone shouting that in the article? Sounds like strawman argument to me
  - blueflow 2y ago
    Didn't you read? You are under siege! That is the articles wording, not mine.
- gmuslera 2y ago
  It could be more appropiate "Fire! Some may die in 5 seconds". Maybe no one died yet in the 5 seconds mark, or maybe someone die but we attribute that to the heat more than the fire, or just don't count them as there was no one important for us. But that is no reason to calmly stay there doing nothing while the flames keep rising up.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    You know whats the right thing to do? Stay with the facts and avoid hyperbole. "There is a fire in Hall B, I'm leaving the building" and people will follow you with no questions asked. Its a matter of how you communicate. I'm tempted to rewrite the abstract in a better wording so people can compare realize what an difference that makes.
    - blooalien 2y ago
      > ... "so people can compare realize what an difference that makes." It makes zero difference, because the people who could change the course of all this aren't listening at all to those who speak up, regardless of what is said or how it's said. They're firmly convinced that money is literally more important than any life (even their own), and no words can or will change their minds. Literal decades of inaction despite growing numbers of actual climate scientists speaking up about the issue has proven this.
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Three months into the current hurricane season, fatalities stand at 88 and losses just under $9 billion. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season>
  - blueflow 2y ago
    It does not matter whether there is a fire or not. Its about the communication style provoking mistrust.

Worse. Its like someone shouting "Fire! We are dead in 5 seconds!". People who are still alive after 5 seconds will correctly figure that this is a liar and possibly also assume that there is no fire at all. Boy who cried wolf.

abeppu 2y ago
Except, they don't say we are dead in 5 seconds. They say stuff like "The trends reveal new all-time climate-related records and deeply concerning patterns of climate-related disasters." The records being set is pretty objectively true. The "deeply concerning" part involves a little perspective taking, but more/stronger storms, heat waves, etc with impacts on insurance, the power grid and public health are reasonable causes for concern. They don't say we're all gonna die. They don't say anything about such a short time period as 5 seconds. You're accusing them of being alarmist, but the way you're describing their claims is itself a false and hyperbolic caricature.
- blueflow 2y ago
  You are under siege! First sentence in article. Make sure your walls hold.
mikkom 2y ago
I don't see anyone shouting that in the article? Sounds like strawman argument to me
- blueflow 2y ago
  Didn't you read? You are under siege! That is the articles wording, not mine.
gmuslera 2y ago
It could be more appropiate "Fire! Some may die in 5 seconds". Maybe no one died yet in the 5 seconds mark, or maybe someone die but we attribute that to the heat more than the fire, or just don't count them as there was no one important for us. But that is no reason to calmly stay there doing nothing while the flames keep rising up.
- blueflow 2y ago
  You know whats the right thing to do? Stay with the facts and avoid hyperbole. "There is a fire in Hall B, I'm leaving the building" and people will follow you with no questions asked. Its a matter of how you communicate. I'm tempted to rewrite the abstract in a better wording so people can compare realize what an difference that makes.
  - blooalien 2y ago
    > ... "so people can compare realize what an difference that makes." It makes zero difference, because the people who could change the course of all this aren't listening at all to those who speak up, regardless of what is said or how it's said. They're firmly convinced that money is literally more important than any life (even their own), and no words can or will change their minds. Literal decades of inaction despite growing numbers of actual climate scientists speaking up about the issue has proven this.
dredmorbius 2y ago
Three months into the current hurricane season, fatalities stand at 88 and losses just under $9 billion. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season>
- blueflow 2y ago
  It does not matter whether there is a fire or not. Its about the communication style provoking mistrust.