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At this point it feels like this argument is dead an buried. So many non-native apps on every platform, most platforms even have multiple official GUI toolkits/

At this point it feels like this argument is dead an buried. So many non-native apps on every platform, most platforms even have multiple official GUI toolkits/widget styles so even first party apps are inconsistent.

nine_k 2y ago
The most consistently-looking desktop I have runs under Linux. With a few settings and a right theme, all GTK2, GTK3, Qt, and Java apps look and feel pretty much the same, in a pleasant way. MacOS is a close second, with a few native apps that can't decide exactly what a checkbox or a button should look like. And Win10 on my wife's machine is a salad, reminding me of Linux desktop experience from 1998.
- diggan 2y ago
  > And Win10 on my wife's machine is a salad, reminding me of Linux desktop experience from 1998. This is pretty funny, because if you just use Gnome apps + desktop environment, you have a consistent experience. But if you only use Microsoft/Windows GUIs, panels and applications, it nowhere near as consistent. So even the Gnome team can build better UI and UX than Windows themselves can, pretty telling.
  - chrisldgk 2y ago
    > even the Gnome team People like to hate on them, but their design is actually really good, innovative and the applications running on GTK are incredibly fast and stable.
    - mixmastamyk 2y ago
      As long as you don’t use title bars, menus, or scrollbars you’re golden.
    - nine_k 2y ago
      I'm not a fan of some of their UX design decisions, but I must admit that they seemingly know what they're doing, and their execution / implementation is pretty good. I also hope that, unlike MS, they have no infighting between departments, and no stack ranking.
    - diggan 2y ago
      > People like to hate on them, but their design is actually really good I'm not complaining/hating, Gnome is my desktop environment of choice since some time ago. Was more a nod to how awful Microsoft seems to (still) be at UI and UX.
- xmichael909 2y ago
  I couldn't agree more, and would even say more that Windows is just such a mess. Often even new windows programs look like they are from the days of Windows 98.

nine_k 2y ago

The most consistently-looking desktop I have runs under Linux. With a few settings and a right theme, all GTK2, GTK3, Qt, and Java apps look and feel pretty much the same, in a pleasant way. MacOS is a close second, with a few native apps that can't decide exactly what a checkbox or a button should look like. And Win10 on my wife's machine is a salad, reminding me of Linux desktop experience from 1998.

diggan 2y ago
> And Win10 on my wife's machine is a salad, reminding me of Linux desktop experience from 1998. This is pretty funny, because if you just use Gnome apps + desktop environment, you have a consistent experience. But if you only use Microsoft/Windows GUIs, panels and applications, it nowhere near as consistent. So even the Gnome team can build better UI and UX than Windows themselves can, pretty telling.
- chrisldgk 2y ago
  > even the Gnome team People like to hate on them, but their design is actually really good, innovative and the applications running on GTK are incredibly fast and stable.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    As long as you don’t use title bars, menus, or scrollbars you’re golden.
  - nine_k 2y ago
    I'm not a fan of some of their UX design decisions, but I must admit that they seemingly know what they're doing, and their execution / implementation is pretty good. I also hope that, unlike MS, they have no infighting between departments, and no stack ranking.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > People like to hate on them, but their design is actually really good I'm not complaining/hating, Gnome is my desktop environment of choice since some time ago. Was more a nod to how awful Microsoft seems to (still) be at UI and UX.
xmichael909 2y ago
I couldn't agree more, and would even say more that Windows is just such a mess. Often even new windows programs look like they are from the days of Windows 98.