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To be fair, that's a common practice even when it comes to non edible products (for example, coming from a petrol producing country, I grew up hearing every now

To be fair, that's a common practice even when it comes to non edible products (for example, coming from a petrol producing country, I grew up hearing every now and then about OPEC having decided to reduce petrol production to raise prices)

inanutshellus 2y ago
Yes but per the article, this policy has been active for 60 years. They're not temporarily buoying after a seasonal surplus, they're just paying farmers not to farm ..... for generations.
- downrightmike 2y ago
  The USA has been doing that since the 1970's as land preservation.
  - jacobr1 2y ago
    Which is dumb. Land should just be purchased for conservation (or other arrangements like easements with transfer on sale) to the government or private land conservatory groups. Endless subsidy is corrupt.
    - ambyra 2y ago
      Japan is an island, which can be blockaded, so they’ve always tried to help their farmers. Usually they pay the farmers to grow less, not pay them to grow nothing. Also this policy was phased out in 2018; now they’re just subsidizing farmers and encouraging crop diversity. I think they’re doing a good job. Being a farmer is always hard. In Japan at least they’re making it easier. Encouraging crop diversity and organic farming is nice (especially compared to the us corn/soy situation).
    - downrightmike 2y ago
      Depleting the land in that manner is what caused the Dust Bowl. May sound dumb, but it is certainly not.
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    It also props up the price of various goods to keep them profitable to produce so farms don't go under by limiting the amount produced to avoid big gluts of produce.
    - Modified3019 2y ago
      That’s a great point. Reminds me of how currently in the Willamette valley of Oregon, grass seed prices are terrible because there’s oversupply such that growers can’t even sell last years crop at a profit, resulting in more oversupply. Some ground isn’t suitable for much else than annual ryegrass, which does well on the clay mud in the hills and seasonal bogs. There’s not much to switch to that can even handle the conditions. Other grass crops like different types of fescue are a multi year investments since the first year you don’t get much from the field and it takes time to clean up the weed seeds. So flipping to another crop puts you in a big hole. Finally there’s the generally six figure equipment to harvest any particular crop. A given harvester can only deal with a very limited selection of crops, and even then is often going to require configuration and tuning when switching to a compatible crop. I think the grape and hop guys might also be seeing something similar, but I’m not entirely sure. I can imagine that growers with fields configured for growing rice face similar issues. If price tanks, they don’t have the flexibility to “just” pivot to something else as needed.
      - downrightmike 2y ago
        That's why we have subsidies.
        rtkwe 2y ago
        One of many. Another is to just directly bribe farmers for political support in areas of the country given extra power by the structure of the US government where not every vote gets equal weight.
logicchains 2y ago
The difference is that OPEC countries colluding to raise prices hurt other countries, not their own people (they generally subsidise petrol for their own citizens), whereas Japan's policy of artificially raising the price of Japanese rice hurts Japanese consumers, and Japanese consumers vastly outnumber Japanese farmers.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  > Japanese consumers vastly outnumber Japanese farmers Japan is also a parliamentary system, and a significant portion of Single Member Seats in the House of Representatives are small towns or rural [0] Pissed off farmers caused the LDP to lose power in the 2009 election [1], which is historic in a country that is a de facto one-party state. The LDP in 2024 is looking similarly weak like the LDP in 2009 so they cannot afford to anger the farming bloc. [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_House_of_Representatives_of_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_Hou... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Japanese_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Japanese_general_electi...
pjc50 2y ago
OPEC do that to raise export prices. Quite often they have subsidized or really lightly taxed petrol for domestic use.

inanutshellus 2y ago

Yes but per the article, this policy has been active for 60 years. They're not temporarily buoying after a seasonal surplus, they're just paying farmers not to farm ..... for generations.

downrightmike 2y ago
The USA has been doing that since the 1970's as land preservation.
- jacobr1 2y ago
  Which is dumb. Land should just be purchased for conservation (or other arrangements like easements with transfer on sale) to the government or private land conservatory groups. Endless subsidy is corrupt.
  - ambyra 2y ago
    Japan is an island, which can be blockaded, so they’ve always tried to help their farmers. Usually they pay the farmers to grow less, not pay them to grow nothing. Also this policy was phased out in 2018; now they’re just subsidizing farmers and encouraging crop diversity. I think they’re doing a good job. Being a farmer is always hard. In Japan at least they’re making it easier. Encouraging crop diversity and organic farming is nice (especially compared to the us corn/soy situation).
  - downrightmike 2y ago
    Depleting the land in that manner is what caused the Dust Bowl. May sound dumb, but it is certainly not.
- rtkwe 2y ago
  It also props up the price of various goods to keep them profitable to produce so farms don't go under by limiting the amount produced to avoid big gluts of produce.
  - Modified3019 2y ago
    That’s a great point. Reminds me of how currently in the Willamette valley of Oregon, grass seed prices are terrible because there’s oversupply such that growers can’t even sell last years crop at a profit, resulting in more oversupply. Some ground isn’t suitable for much else than annual ryegrass, which does well on the clay mud in the hills and seasonal bogs. There’s not much to switch to that can even handle the conditions. Other grass crops like different types of fescue are a multi year investments since the first year you don’t get much from the field and it takes time to clean up the weed seeds. So flipping to another crop puts you in a big hole. Finally there’s the generally six figure equipment to harvest any particular crop. A given harvester can only deal with a very limited selection of crops, and even then is often going to require configuration and tuning when switching to a compatible crop. I think the grape and hop guys might also be seeing something similar, but I’m not entirely sure. I can imagine that growers with fields configured for growing rice face similar issues. If price tanks, they don’t have the flexibility to “just” pivot to something else as needed.
    - downrightmike 2y ago
      That's why we have subsidies.
      - rtkwe 2y ago
        One of many. Another is to just directly bribe farmers for political support in areas of the country given extra power by the structure of the US government where not every vote gets equal weight.

logicchains 2y ago

The difference is that OPEC countries colluding to raise prices hurt other countries, not their own people (they generally subsidise petrol for their own citizens), whereas Japan's policy of artificially raising the price of Japanese rice hurts Japanese consumers, and Japanese consumers vastly outnumber Japanese farmers.

alephnerd 2y ago
> Japanese consumers vastly outnumber Japanese farmers Japan is also a parliamentary system, and a significant portion of Single Member Seats in the House of Representatives are small towns or rural [0] Pissed off farmers caused the LDP to lose power in the 2009 election [1], which is historic in a country that is a de facto one-party state. The LDP in 2024 is looking similarly weak like the LDP in 2009 so they cannot afford to anger the farming bloc. [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_House_of_Representatives_of_Japan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_districts_of_the_Hou... [1] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Japanese_general_election https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Japanese_general_electi...

pjc50 2y ago

OPEC do that to raise export prices. Quite often they have subsidized or really lightly taxed petrol for domestic use.