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>I don't even know a reason to use FreeBSD That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. And since there is the Linux-Foundation wh

>I don't even know a reason to use FreeBSD That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. And since there is the Linux-Foundation who invests whopping 5% of their money into the Linux Kernel, an opensource alternative is always good to have. Edit: Correction it's not 5% but less then 3%

christophilus 2y ago
I’m a big fan of the BSDs, but if you’re talking about the desktop, Proton and Steam, WiFi support, and (for me) Niri. You can get Niri working, probably, with some effort, but it comes out of the box on Fedora and Arch. The case of Niri is representative, in my limited experience, of the general case. The dev tooling I use always supports Linux as a 1st class citizen, but rarely supports the BSDs.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  Well there is proton and steam on FreeBSD and i can even play Elden Ring and X4 for 2 minutes.....then my machine resets because there is no way to adjust the AMD-GPU fans, so i made a bhyve Win11-VM with passthrough to the discrete GPU and Bluetooth (PS4 controller), and now i can play everything, even my beloved Gold-Box Games with the GBC. >WiFi support Yeah that's really a problem, but i just use my Laptop for work so ~6 MB/s is good enough for me, otherwise i would use FreeBSDWifibox it's a hack but hey we use Unixes right? ;) >Niri is representative See what Niri is for you, ZFS is for me, i could say that the ZFS-module is representative (on mainstream distros) for Linux and we are both right, FreeBSD and Linux are both not perfect. BTW Niri is already in ports since ~9 month: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/niri https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/niri >dev tooling I use always supports Linux as a 1st class citizen, but rarely supports the BSDs. I don't know what "1st class citizen" means, if it works it works, i often use dev-tools where Mac and Windows seam to be the "1st class citizen" but if they work they work. So yes, there are problems like the Overheating AMD-GPU and Wifi but apart from that i am super happy with FreeBSD, and most important everyone is happy with the OS/Distro choice one made.
  - Gud 2y ago
    For WiFi you should really try bhyve with pass through to an OpenBSD guest. I get wifi speeds comparable to what I got with Alpine(wifibox), but a much nicer environment. Not particularly difficult to setup or maintain.
kombine 2y ago
> That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. Can I run apps like Slack or Spotify on BSD? Will it have WiFi and Bluetooth drivers for my laptop? Not even talking about games.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
  Slack and Spotify if needed in a Linux Jail, yes to Games (Proton or Linuxlator or native), maybe to Wifi and BT. Read my comment two steps down the line (bhyve-vm etc).
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    > Slack and Spotify if needed in a Linux Jail, yes Ha, just after you last said: > That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. Well, there's one reason to use Linux, lol - to run all the apps on BSD that BSD doesn't support.
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      >Ha, just after you last said I don't use a Slack Client but the Web one, and i don't use Spotify. >Well, there's one reason to use Linux, lol True, you have a point to compare two proprietary Blobs, oh BTW is Adobe and nearly ever AAA-Game supporting Linux or do you need Wine/Proton (that Windows not emulator) thing? And to be clear a LinuxJail is actually NOT using the Linux Kernel but the GNU-Userland ;) so no Linux present, Wine is the ~same as a LinuxJail from your viewpoint...but without isolation ;) Linux (Wine): Windows -> Linux SystemCall-translator FreeBSD (Linxulator): Linux -> FreeBSD SystemCall-translator With more or less your Words: >Well, there's one reason to use Windows (Wine), lol - to run all the apps on Linux that Linux doesn't support. To be short, double lol
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        > I don't use a Slack Client but the Web one, and i don't use Spotify. The comment you were replying to was talking in general terms so I thought you were as well. > And to be clear a LinuxJail is actually NOT using the Linux Kernel but the GNU-Userland Huh, that means even less stuff will run. I thought it was more than just an emulation layer. > To be short, double lol Not sure what this means. Long and short of it is though the original commenter was right IMO. The BSDs are generally the OS of hobbyists and sometimes contrarians, and it doesn't make sense these days when there are better options in most situations. If often makes as much sense as running Hurd or P9.

christophilus 2y ago

I’m a big fan of the BSDs, but if you’re talking about the desktop, Proton and Steam, WiFi support, and (for me) Niri. You can get Niri working, probably, with some effort, but it comes out of the box on Fedora and Arch. The case of Niri is representative, in my limited experience, of the general case. The dev tooling I use always supports Linux as a 1st class citizen, but rarely supports the BSDs.

BSDobelix 2y ago
Well there is proton and steam on FreeBSD and i can even play Elden Ring and X4 for 2 minutes.....then my machine resets because there is no way to adjust the AMD-GPU fans, so i made a bhyve Win11-VM with passthrough to the discrete GPU and Bluetooth (PS4 controller), and now i can play everything, even my beloved Gold-Box Games with the GBC. >WiFi support Yeah that's really a problem, but i just use my Laptop for work so ~6 MB/s is good enough for me, otherwise i would use FreeBSDWifibox it's a hack but hey we use Unixes right? ;) >Niri is representative See what Niri is for you, ZFS is for me, i could say that the ZFS-module is representative (on mainstream distros) for Linux and we are both right, FreeBSD and Linux are both not perfect. BTW Niri is already in ports since ~9 month: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/niri https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/niri >dev tooling I use always supports Linux as a 1st class citizen, but rarely supports the BSDs. I don't know what "1st class citizen" means, if it works it works, i often use dev-tools where Mac and Windows seam to be the "1st class citizen" but if they work they work. So yes, there are problems like the Overheating AMD-GPU and Wifi but apart from that i am super happy with FreeBSD, and most important everyone is happy with the OS/Distro choice one made.
- Gud 2y ago
  For WiFi you should really try bhyve with pass through to an OpenBSD guest. I get wifi speeds comparable to what I got with Alpine(wifibox), but a much nicer environment. Not particularly difficult to setup or maintain.

kombine 2y ago

> That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. Can I run apps like Slack or Spotify on BSD? Will it have WiFi and Bluetooth drivers for my laptop? Not even talking about games.

BSDobelix 2y ago
Slack and Spotify if needed in a Linux Jail, yes to Games (Proton or Linuxlator or native), maybe to Wifi and BT. Read my comment two steps down the line (bhyve-vm etc).
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > Slack and Spotify if needed in a Linux Jail, yes Ha, just after you last said: > That's funny because i don't even know a reason to use Linux these days. Well, there's one reason to use Linux, lol - to run all the apps on BSD that BSD doesn't support.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    >Ha, just after you last said I don't use a Slack Client but the Web one, and i don't use Spotify. >Well, there's one reason to use Linux, lol True, you have a point to compare two proprietary Blobs, oh BTW is Adobe and nearly ever AAA-Game supporting Linux or do you need Wine/Proton (that Windows not emulator) thing? And to be clear a LinuxJail is actually NOT using the Linux Kernel but the GNU-Userland ;) so no Linux present, Wine is the ~same as a LinuxJail from your viewpoint...but without isolation ;) Linux (Wine): Windows -> Linux SystemCall-translator FreeBSD (Linxulator): Linux -> FreeBSD SystemCall-translator With more or less your Words: >Well, there's one reason to use Windows (Wine), lol - to run all the apps on Linux that Linux doesn't support. To be short, double lol
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      > I don't use a Slack Client but the Web one, and i don't use Spotify. The comment you were replying to was talking in general terms so I thought you were as well. > And to be clear a LinuxJail is actually NOT using the Linux Kernel but the GNU-Userland Huh, that means even less stuff will run. I thought it was more than just an emulation layer. > To be short, double lol Not sure what this means. Long and short of it is though the original commenter was right IMO. The BSDs are generally the OS of hobbyists and sometimes contrarians, and it doesn't make sense these days when there are better options in most situations. If often makes as much sense as running Hurd or P9.