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They are not talking about incidences, just the complications. From the study: > In total, 4635 individuals were hospitalized for myocarditis: 558 with postva

They are not talking about incidences, just the complications. From the study: > In total, 4635 individuals were hospitalized for myocarditis: 558 with postvaccine myocarditis, 298 with post–COVID-19 myocarditis, and 3779 with conventional myocarditis. Patients with postvaccine myocarditis were younger than those with post–COVID-19 and conventional myocarditis (mean [SD] age of 25.9 [8.6], 31.0 [10.9], and 28.3 [9.4] years, respectively) and were more frequently men (84%, 67%, and 79%). Patients with postvaccine myocarditis had a lower standardized incidence of the composite clinical outcome than those with conventional myocarditis (32/558 vs 497/3779 events; weighted hazard ratio, 0.55 [95% CI, 0.36-0.86]), whereas individuals with post–COVID-19 myocarditis had similar results (36/298 events; weighted hazard ratio, 1.04 [95% CI, 0.70-1.52]). And > Patients with post–COVID-19 mRNA vaccination myocarditis, contrary to those with post–COVID-19 myocarditis, show a lower frequency of cardiovascular complications than those with conventional myocarditis at 18 months. Why would you not focus on the higher incidences of myocarditis after vaccines, is a good, but different question.

cheaprentalyeti 2y ago
Basically, I'm going to have to look at this during daylight hours to see what the paper actually says as opposed to the reporting of the paper. (Which essentially means I'll take a look at it Thursday or Friday after going back to Days).
mewpmewp2 2y ago
My thoughts are also that since the vaccine group was younger it had implications that the vaccine itself was more likely to hit young and healthy people while covid older and people potentially with cardiovascular issues already existing. It would make it more likely to show in results that post covid people had the worst complications after. Because it was very specifically young men who were hit, it isn't easy to compare to a random post covid cohort. Even after trying to control for everything I don't think it is feasible.

cheaprentalyeti 2y ago

Basically, I'm going to have to look at this during daylight hours to see what the paper actually says as opposed to the reporting of the paper. (Which essentially means I'll take a look at it Thursday or Friday after going back to Days).

mewpmewp2 2y ago

My thoughts are also that since the vaccine group was younger it had implications that the vaccine itself was more likely to hit young and healthy people while covid older and people potentially with cardiovascular issues already existing. It would make it more likely to show in results that post covid people had the worst complications after. Because it was very specifically young men who were hit, it isn't easy to compare to a random post covid cohort. Even after trying to control for everything I don't think it is feasible.