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It scales fine, you can have private waste treatment en masse. Why should someone pay for my shit? Why is it their fault if I poop? It makes no sense. Also

It scales fine, you can have private waste treatment en masse. Why should someone pay for my shit? Why is it their fault if I poop? It makes no sense. Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst, considering when I lived in the city I was billed sewage and it came out about the same as the amortized cost of my septic system. The only people pooping in the streets were the homeless or the odd mentally ill person. I realize people like you are the real problem who will poop on others stuff to save a buck, but that honestly seems a mental health issue that public sewage systems wont solve.

baseballdork 2y ago
> It scales fine How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. It works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. > Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. > I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens?
- beaglesss 2y ago
  >How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. Charge by drain units, sewage pipe size, or maybe metered. Point is sewage treatment plant can be funded on individual apartment basis. > works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. My area is far poorer than Manhattan but virtually everyone has a private septic system, and I've never seen poop in the street. You were previously paying for public poop now your just paying privately in lieu of publicly, and of course the homeless still probably shit in the street. Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. >Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. In practice in places like Manhattan you'd be paying for sewage monthly (when I lived in city that charged cost of sewage it was about 40 of my water bill). In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. All of which is amortized pretty close to real cost of sewage most anywhere. >You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens? I'm in shock because having lived in areas that charge individually for sewage, the very few that don't spend the $1-$2 a day are either brutally poor or mentally ill, its just not a thing that people like you poop in the streets anyplace I've lived that charges near full rate for sewage treatment. As it were, the vast majority given the $1.40 a day to spare, will pay it to not have to poop outside or let it accumulate in their home, and if unable or unwilling to do so it is nearly always a symptom of something else that public sewers won't solve.
  - baseballdork 2y ago
    > Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. So we agree it doesn’t scale. You can’t have 1,000 people each digging their own septic system around an apartment complex. What you’re proposing is adding cost and complexity to sewage in order to ensure you only pay for your shit. > Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. Indeed, but literally all of the infrastructure up and down the supply chain that makes a $5k septic system available to you is. > In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. Ah, so you’d rather the poor pay interest on the ability to shit? Surreal. > brutally poor or mentally ill Yes, and I don’t think those people ought to be unable to shit in dignity. The libertarian dream is a nightmare.
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      >So we agree it doesn’t scale. You can’t have 1,000 people each digging their own septic system around an apartment complex. What you’re proposing is adding cost and complexity to sewage in order to ensure you only pay for your shit. The asinine approach of using a rural septic system on a Manhattan apartment doesn't scale. Metering water consumed in most cases is pretty good at finding sewage use, and water metering exists in most apartments or at least every one I've lived in. >...complexity... On the contrary, your system is a complicated one that instead of metered sewage or water one has an army of tax collectors who meter our earnings & property & spending, who in practice toss people in a cage when they don't pay up rather than just stop the service. >Indeed, but literally all of the infrastructure up and down the supply chain that makes a $5k septic system available to you is. Sure but under my proposal everyone pays for services consumed, if you think rural people are stealing your infrastructure taxes to build septic systems by all means that's an argument to 'tax' at point of consumption, since we're cheating you apparently. (Now we know you really are against paying taxes for others poop!) >Ah, so you’d rather the poor pay interest on the ability to shit? Surreal. Well in practice they pay interest either way, privately or via inflation and public debt gov uses to expand their scope. >Yes, and I don’t think those people ought to be unable to shit in dignity. The libertarian dream is a nightmare Mentally ill and the poor shit in public largely because housing is unaffordable and it isn't convenient to have to hike a long way to take a shit. If you have democratic assent and are so sure people are eager to fund the shitting of the homeless, by all means go out and open a public shittery next to them, sounds like you'll get the support.

baseballdork 2y ago

> It scales fine How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. It works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. > Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. > I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens?

beaglesss 2y ago
>How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. Charge by drain units, sewage pipe size, or maybe metered. Point is sewage treatment plant can be funded on individual apartment basis. > works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. My area is far poorer than Manhattan but virtually everyone has a private septic system, and I've never seen poop in the street. You were previously paying for public poop now your just paying privately in lieu of publicly, and of course the homeless still probably shit in the street. Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. >Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. In practice in places like Manhattan you'd be paying for sewage monthly (when I lived in city that charged cost of sewage it was about 40 of my water bill). In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. All of which is amortized pretty close to real cost of sewage most anywhere. >You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens? I'm in shock because having lived in areas that charge individually for sewage, the very few that don't spend the $1-$2 a day are either brutally poor or mentally ill, its just not a thing that people like you poop in the streets anyplace I've lived that charges near full rate for sewage treatment. As it were, the vast majority given the $1.40 a day to spare, will pay it to not have to poop outside or let it accumulate in their home, and if unable or unwilling to do so it is nearly always a symptom of something else that public sewers won't solve.
- baseballdork 2y ago
  > Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. So we agree it doesn’t scale. You can’t have 1,000 people each digging their own septic system around an apartment complex. What you’re proposing is adding cost and complexity to sewage in order to ensure you only pay for your shit. > Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. Indeed, but literally all of the infrastructure up and down the supply chain that makes a $5k septic system available to you is. > In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. Ah, so you’d rather the poor pay interest on the ability to shit? Surreal. > brutally poor or mentally ill Yes, and I don’t think those people ought to be unable to shit in dignity. The libertarian dream is a nightmare.
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    >So we agree it doesn’t scale. You can’t have 1,000 people each digging their own septic system around an apartment complex. What you’re proposing is adding cost and complexity to sewage in order to ensure you only pay for your shit. The asinine approach of using a rural septic system on a Manhattan apartment doesn't scale. Metering water consumed in most cases is pretty good at finding sewage use, and water metering exists in most apartments or at least every one I've lived in. >...complexity... On the contrary, your system is a complicated one that instead of metered sewage or water one has an army of tax collectors who meter our earnings & property & spending, who in practice toss people in a cage when they don't pay up rather than just stop the service. >Indeed, but literally all of the infrastructure up and down the supply chain that makes a $5k septic system available to you is. Sure but under my proposal everyone pays for services consumed, if you think rural people are stealing your infrastructure taxes to build septic systems by all means that's an argument to 'tax' at point of consumption, since we're cheating you apparently. (Now we know you really are against paying taxes for others poop!) >Ah, so you’d rather the poor pay interest on the ability to shit? Surreal. Well in practice they pay interest either way, privately or via inflation and public debt gov uses to expand their scope. >Yes, and I don’t think those people ought to be unable to shit in dignity. The libertarian dream is a nightmare Mentally ill and the poor shit in public largely because housing is unaffordable and it isn't convenient to have to hike a long way to take a shit. If you have democratic assent and are so sure people are eager to fund the shitting of the homeless, by all means go out and open a public shittery next to them, sounds like you'll get the support.