4 ms·

That's why I'd argue each service should be 'taxed' at the point of use. If you like a road, pay the toll. If you like sewage, build a septic system or pay fo

That's why I'd argue each service should be 'taxed' at the point of use. If you like a road, pay the toll. If you like sewage, build a septic system or pay for treatment. If you want to help Ukraine, fly on over or donate to the cause.

baseballdork 2y ago
Great idea. I can save on money by shitting in the street instead of paying for treatment. I'll just dump my trash as well. This way only things that everyone absolutely has to use, or things the fabulously wealthy want, will be funded. What could go wrong?
- beaglesss 2y ago
  Sure you could. In fact many do in places like San Francisco where regulations and taxes and construction costs are so high many end up homeless then poop all over the streets. Where I live there is absolutely no public sewage and I built my own system and so did most my neighbors, because as it turns out in our low tax libertarian enclave of mostly poor people, the vast majority prefer 10k once every few decades on a septic system over living in shit or getting in feuds with their neighbors for shitting on their road or lawn (there are no public roads here thank god). Your paranoia turned out unfounded.
  - baseballdork 2y ago
    Ah, it’s the taxes and regulations that cause the homeless to shit on the street. Surely if there were pay toilets all over the Bay Area the homeless wouldn’t do that anymore. Your “low tax libertarian enclave” where folks evidently can afford to drop $10k occasionally sure doesn’t sound like it’ll scale up to 12 million people.
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      It scales fine, you can have private waste treatment en masse. Why should someone pay for my shit? Why is it their fault if I poop? It makes no sense. Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst, considering when I lived in the city I was billed sewage and it came out about the same as the amortized cost of my septic system. The only people pooping in the streets were the homeless or the odd mentally ill person. I realize people like you are the real problem who will poop on others stuff to save a buck, but that honestly seems a mental health issue that public sewage systems wont solve.
      - baseballdork 2y ago
        > It scales fine How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. It works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. > Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. > I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens?
        beaglesss 2y ago
        >How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. Charge by drain units, sewage pipe size, or maybe metered. Point is sewage treatment plant can be funded on individual apartment basis. > works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. My area is far poorer than Manhattan but virtually everyone has a private septic system, and I've never seen poop in the street. You were previously paying for public poop now your just paying privately in lieu of publicly, and of course the homeless still probably shit in the street. Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. >Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. In practice in places like Manhattan you'd be paying for sewage monthly (when I lived in city that charged cost of sewage it was about 40 of my water bill). In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. All of which is amortized pretty close to real cost of sewage most anywhere. >You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens? I'm in shock because having lived in areas that charge individually for sewage, the very few that don't spend the $1-$2 a day are either brutally poor or mentally ill, its just not a thing that people like you poop in the streets anyplace I've lived that charges near full rate for sewage treatment. As it were, the vast majority given the $1.40 a day to spare, will pay it to not have to poop outside or let it accumulate in their home, and if unable or unwilling to do so it is nearly always a symptom of something else that public sewers won't solve.

baseballdork 2y ago

Great idea. I can save on money by shitting in the street instead of paying for treatment. I'll just dump my trash as well. This way only things that everyone absolutely has to use, or things the fabulously wealthy want, will be funded. What could go wrong?

beaglesss 2y ago
Sure you could. In fact many do in places like San Francisco where regulations and taxes and construction costs are so high many end up homeless then poop all over the streets. Where I live there is absolutely no public sewage and I built my own system and so did most my neighbors, because as it turns out in our low tax libertarian enclave of mostly poor people, the vast majority prefer 10k once every few decades on a septic system over living in shit or getting in feuds with their neighbors for shitting on their road or lawn (there are no public roads here thank god). Your paranoia turned out unfounded.
- baseballdork 2y ago
  Ah, it’s the taxes and regulations that cause the homeless to shit on the street. Surely if there were pay toilets all over the Bay Area the homeless wouldn’t do that anymore. Your “low tax libertarian enclave” where folks evidently can afford to drop $10k occasionally sure doesn’t sound like it’ll scale up to 12 million people.
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    It scales fine, you can have private waste treatment en masse. Why should someone pay for my shit? Why is it their fault if I poop? It makes no sense. Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst, considering when I lived in the city I was billed sewage and it came out about the same as the amortized cost of my septic system. The only people pooping in the streets were the homeless or the odd mentally ill person. I realize people like you are the real problem who will poop on others stuff to save a buck, but that honestly seems a mental health issue that public sewage systems wont solve.
    - baseballdork 2y ago
      > It scales fine How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. It works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. > Also you can build your own septic for 5k if you do your own work. Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. > I'm honestly in shock you'd poop in the street to save the 40 or so a month it costs at worst You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens?
      - beaglesss 2y ago
        >How does this work in Manhattan? How about for a single apartment complex? It doesn’t scale. Waste treatment system similar to many public systems. Charge by drain units, sewage pipe size, or maybe metered. Point is sewage treatment plant can be funded on individual apartment basis. > works if you’re in a low density area benefiting from the taxes pulled from high density areas. My area is far poorer than Manhattan but virtually everyone has a private septic system, and I've never seen poop in the street. You were previously paying for public poop now your just paying privately in lieu of publicly, and of course the homeless still probably shit in the street. Also rural septic systems are almost never publicly funded. >Something like 40% of Americans couldn’t field a $400 expense. In practice in places like Manhattan you'd be paying for sewage monthly (when I lived in city that charged cost of sewage it was about 40 of my water bill). In rural areas septic is usually owned as part of mortgage or as debt services, if one cannot pay outright. All of which is amortized pretty close to real cost of sewage most anywhere. >You’re in shock after discussing a place where it happens? I'm in shock because having lived in areas that charge individually for sewage, the very few that don't spend the $1-$2 a day are either brutally poor or mentally ill, its just not a thing that people like you poop in the streets anyplace I've lived that charges near full rate for sewage treatment. As it were, the vast majority given the $1.40 a day to spare, will pay it to not have to poop outside or let it accumulate in their home, and if unable or unwilling to do so it is nearly always a symptom of something else that public sewers won't solve.