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It's amazing how many on HN are actually closet authoritarians. It was made extra clear during the pandemic and becomes clearer with every one of these posts

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> amazing how many on HN are actually closet authoritarians Signal responding to a subpoena with, in essence, a fuck you is authoritarian?
- codedokode 2y ago
  Signal is not very popular and maybe because of this haven't yet observed the full power of law bending and interpretation. Given the accusations against Telegram, many of the points apply to Signal equally, including importing uncertified cryptographic tools.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Given the accusations against Telegram, many of the points apply to Signal equally, including importing uncertified cryptographic tools The DoJ has its own Telegram channel [1]. [1] https://t.me/US_DOJ https://t.me/US_DOJ
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  Signal being unable to provide information to a subpoena is very different than arresting its CEO. The comparison was only made to justify arresting Telegram's CEO. Which, yes, is authoritarian.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Signal being unable to provide information to a subpoena is very different than arresting its CEO If Signal had blown off the court completely, yes, that would have resulted in arrest warrants. That's at least what France alleges Durov did in the warrant.
philwelch 2y ago
The majority of people on HN have been out of the closet about their authoritarianism for many years now.
lern_too_spel 2y ago
On the flip side of the coin, it's amazing how many on HN are public anarchists. When we come together as a society to create laws, we make them for a reason, and nobody is above them.
- cynicalpeace 2y ago
  I'll take a public anarchist over secret authoritarian any day. Also, your implication that anyone who questions authority or these charges somehow is an anarchist or believes some should be above the law is laughable
- salawat 2y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > seen far fewer anarchists running around subjugating people, giving people Syphilis to see what happens, feeding orphans radioactive substance laced milk for the same, running off to war, imposing drafts, playing at proxy wars Real anarchy does all of these things. It's why living under fighting warlords is a reliable precursor to authoritarianism: it's better than anarchy in the short term.
jq-r 2y ago
Or to add sarcastically, if Telegram and/or Durov was American I'm sure there would be an uproar.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> amazing how many on HN are actually closet authoritarians Signal responding to a subpoena with, in essence, a fuck you is authoritarian?

codedokode 2y ago
Signal is not very popular and maybe because of this haven't yet observed the full power of law bending and interpretation. Given the accusations against Telegram, many of the points apply to Signal equally, including importing uncertified cryptographic tools.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Given the accusations against Telegram, many of the points apply to Signal equally, including importing uncertified cryptographic tools The DoJ has its own Telegram channel [1]. [1] https://t.me/US_DOJ https://t.me/US_DOJ
cynicalpeace 2y ago
Signal being unable to provide information to a subpoena is very different than arresting its CEO. The comparison was only made to justify arresting Telegram's CEO. Which, yes, is authoritarian.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Signal being unable to provide information to a subpoena is very different than arresting its CEO If Signal had blown off the court completely, yes, that would have resulted in arrest warrants. That's at least what France alleges Durov did in the warrant.

philwelch 2y ago

The majority of people on HN have been out of the closet about their authoritarianism for many years now.

lern_too_spel 2y ago

On the flip side of the coin, it's amazing how many on HN are public anarchists. When we come together as a society to create laws, we make them for a reason, and nobody is above them.

cynicalpeace 2y ago
I'll take a public anarchist over secret authoritarian any day. Also, your implication that anyone who questions authority or these charges somehow is an anarchist or believes some should be above the law is laughable
salawat 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > seen far fewer anarchists running around subjugating people, giving people Syphilis to see what happens, feeding orphans radioactive substance laced milk for the same, running off to war, imposing drafts, playing at proxy wars Real anarchy does all of these things. It's why living under fighting warlords is a reliable precursor to authoritarianism: it's better than anarchy in the short term.

jq-r 2y ago

Or to add sarcastically, if Telegram and/or Durov was American I'm sure there would be an uproar.