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There's a pretty easy solution for this: the USA can stop trying to imprison and/or disappear Edward Snowden for reporting on it's crimes against it's citizens.

There's a pretty easy solution for this: the USA can stop trying to imprison and/or disappear Edward Snowden for reporting on it's crimes against it's citizens. Then he could just come home. The goal of the USA trapping him there was to get people to disregard his opinions like this. Yes, he can't say the truth regarding the Russia. But he can still say the truth regarding France. And this is the truth. If this were done by another less powerful country there would be (and has been) outrage.

simonebrunozzi 2y ago
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andix 2y ago
Russia will never let him go. They will point a gun at him and let him explain on camera how great Russia is and why he's never going to leave. He became an essential part of their propaganda, he doesn't even have to do it in person, his X account is enough.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  Never say never. They will gladly drop him off on the border with Poland and tell the US to pick him up once they have no use for him. The only reason they won't do it is to assure spies working for them that they will always be "taken care of" by Russia.
  - andix 2y ago
    If they don't have any use for him anymore, he will fall out of a window or get a heart attack.
regnull 2y ago
He didn't have to escape to Russia with a bunch of laptops filled with classified documents, the majority of which he's never made public. If he cares so much about exposing the US government, he should stand up for his beliefs. Yes, it might mean arrest and prison. If he's not ready for this, he shouldn't get involved. Your convictions mean nothing if you are not ready suffer for them.
- andix 2y ago
  It might've been a big mistake on his side, not understanding what kind of country Russia was. I think a lot of Americans don't understand how different it is in autocratic countries. They complain about the lack of free speech in the US, without understanding what this actually means.
  - codedokode 2y ago
    As I understand, he is not under arrest in Russia; he now has a citizenship and (probably) can travel without US being able to cancel his Russian passport.
    - andix 2y ago
      Yes, he's not under arrest right now, probably. But this can change any minute if he comes close to a border or an airport.
- asynchronous 2y ago
  Actually he did, once the NSA prevented him from fleeing to where he was hoping to have political asylum and trapped him in Russia.
- zpeti 2y ago
  He didn't "escape to Russia", this is a very disingenuous, and plain wrong to say. It's ridiculous having to explain this after 11 years on HN, which is supposed to be a techie place for intelligent people. Either you've been hugely mislead by anti Snowden people, or you are willfully ignorant, or worse.
- codedokode 2y ago
  It is not cool to suggest someone goes to jail for many years to prove something while you will be enjoying an online conversation in safety.
  - voytec 2y ago
surfingdino 2y ago
A government contractor working on classified systems typically signs a strict NDA and is quite likely told in no uncertain terms what will happen when those terms are broken. He did it knowingly and willingly. What did he expect? If he was doing it for a higher cause, he must also had known that people will possibly die if what he passed on to the Russians contained personal information. If he can live with the deadly consequences of his own actions, he must be OK with a potentially violent end to his own life.
- codedokode 2y ago
  He might be signing an NDA under belief that government strictly obeys the law. You cannot use an NDA to prevent someone from reporting law violations.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    Oh, but the government does obey the law https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/794 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/794 There is no provision for reporting law violations or moral judgement of the US government's actions.

simonebrunozzi 2y ago

its, not it's

andix 2y ago

Russia will never let him go. They will point a gun at him and let him explain on camera how great Russia is and why he's never going to leave. He became an essential part of their propaganda, he doesn't even have to do it in person, his X account is enough.

surfingdino 2y ago
Never say never. They will gladly drop him off on the border with Poland and tell the US to pick him up once they have no use for him. The only reason they won't do it is to assure spies working for them that they will always be "taken care of" by Russia.
- andix 2y ago
  If they don't have any use for him anymore, he will fall out of a window or get a heart attack.

regnull 2y ago

He didn't have to escape to Russia with a bunch of laptops filled with classified documents, the majority of which he's never made public. If he cares so much about exposing the US government, he should stand up for his beliefs. Yes, it might mean arrest and prison. If he's not ready for this, he shouldn't get involved. Your convictions mean nothing if you are not ready suffer for them.

andix 2y ago
It might've been a big mistake on his side, not understanding what kind of country Russia was. I think a lot of Americans don't understand how different it is in autocratic countries. They complain about the lack of free speech in the US, without understanding what this actually means.
- codedokode 2y ago
  As I understand, he is not under arrest in Russia; he now has a citizenship and (probably) can travel without US being able to cancel his Russian passport.
  - andix 2y ago
    Yes, he's not under arrest right now, probably. But this can change any minute if he comes close to a border or an airport.
asynchronous 2y ago
Actually he did, once the NSA prevented him from fleeing to where he was hoping to have political asylum and trapped him in Russia.
zpeti 2y ago
He didn't "escape to Russia", this is a very disingenuous, and plain wrong to say. It's ridiculous having to explain this after 11 years on HN, which is supposed to be a techie place for intelligent people. Either you've been hugely mislead by anti Snowden people, or you are willfully ignorant, or worse.
codedokode 2y ago
It is not cool to suggest someone goes to jail for many years to prove something while you will be enjoying an online conversation in safety.
- voytec 2y ago

surfingdino 2y ago

A government contractor working on classified systems typically signs a strict NDA and is quite likely told in no uncertain terms what will happen when those terms are broken. He did it knowingly and willingly. What did he expect? If he was doing it for a higher cause, he must also had known that people will possibly die if what he passed on to the Russians contained personal information. If he can live with the deadly consequences of his own actions, he must be OK with a potentially violent end to his own life.

codedokode 2y ago
He might be signing an NDA under belief that government strictly obeys the law. You cannot use an NDA to prevent someone from reporting law violations.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  Oh, but the government does obey the law https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/794 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/794 There is no provision for reporting law violations or moral judgement of the US government's actions.