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I think this is the doc, saw it on Twitter 1h ago: https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files/2024-08/2024-08-26%20-%20CP%20TELEGRAM%20.pdf ht

by judge2020 2y ago

I think this is the doc, saw it on Twitter 1h ago: https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files/2024-08/2024-08-26%20-%20CP%20TELEGRAM%20.pdf https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files... relevant: > So it appears that Pavel Durov has been using cryptography without a license. Direct link to image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV7S_fMaoAAf3w3?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GV7S_fMaoAAf3w3?format=jpg&name=... https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1828130491805192226 https://x.com/matthew_d_green/status/1828130491805192226

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Thank you. Echoing the original comment about "anyone coming down at the extreme of either side of this... greatly simplifying a very complex issue," (a) very few people with strong feelings about this case had this document when they came to a conclusion and (b) this document is not enough to make an informed decision about what's going on.
- emptysongglass 2y ago
  Yes, and, people like devman0 making this top-rated comment in the last thread: >A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. When they have absolutely no idea what's going on. The number one terrible take is this very quoted comment. Commenters and their supporters on this site love to make unequivocal statements like this as if they possessed the mind of god themselves. But devman0 and people who upvoted their comment: you are responsible for this misinformation. Think before you shout to the heavens on a topic you know absolutely nothing about. That's on all of you. Anyone else reading this comment thread: discuss with restraint based on the knowledge you have. Unless you are directly involved in this case, you don't have even the faintest clue of what you're talking about.
- jcranmer 2y ago
  It's a press release, not a document that substantively lays out the factual allegations. Compare that to something like the indictment here in the US: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_9.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258..., where it is pretty explicitly laid out what the alleged acts were that led to each of the counts. So it's still manifestly unclear why he was arrested (although I note that the press release says he wasn't arrested, merely held for questioning until Wednesday).
zer00eyz 2y ago
SO they snatched him over something that is in effect "administrative"? Nothing complicated. He got snatched because someone somewhere wants something from him and this is the "public" reason. If he's out, telegram is compromised, if he stays in we can't even assume that it isn't.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > SO they snatched him over something that is in effect "administrative"? Did we read the same warrant? Those aren't all administrative charges.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Thank you. Echoing the original comment about "anyone coming down at the extreme of either side of this... greatly simplifying a very complex issue," (a) very few people with strong feelings about this case had this document when they came to a conclusion and (b) this document is not enough to make an informed decision about what's going on.

emptysongglass 2y ago
Yes, and, people like devman0 making this top-rated comment in the last thread: >A lot of really terrible takes in this comment section. Telegram didn't have encrypted groups by default, and telegram possessed a lot of content on their servers that they had been made aware was illegal and didn't cooperate. Nothing more, nothing less. When they have absolutely no idea what's going on. The number one terrible take is this very quoted comment. Commenters and their supporters on this site love to make unequivocal statements like this as if they possessed the mind of god themselves. But devman0 and people who upvoted their comment: you are responsible for this misinformation. Think before you shout to the heavens on a topic you know absolutely nothing about. That's on all of you. Anyone else reading this comment thread: discuss with restraint based on the knowledge you have. Unless you are directly involved in this case, you don't have even the faintest clue of what you're talking about.
jcranmer 2y ago
It's a press release, not a document that substantively lays out the factual allegations. Compare that to something like the indictment here in the US: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149/gov.uscourts.dcd.258149.1.0_9.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258..., where it is pretty explicitly laid out what the alleged acts were that led to each of the counts. So it's still manifestly unclear why he was arrested (although I note that the press release says he wasn't arrested, merely held for questioning until Wednesday).

zer00eyz 2y ago

SO they snatched him over something that is in effect "administrative"? Nothing complicated. He got snatched because someone somewhere wants something from him and this is the "public" reason. If he's out, telegram is compromised, if he stays in we can't even assume that it isn't.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> SO they snatched him over something that is in effect "administrative"? Did we read the same warrant? Those aren't all administrative charges.