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Using GrapheneOS also means: - Giving money to Google - Using hardware that is ultimately controlled by Google - Hardware replacement costs every time Google

Using GrapheneOS also means: - Giving money to Google - Using hardware that is ultimately controlled by Google - Hardware replacement costs every time Google support runs out, instead of when the hardware stops working - Ongoing environmental impact from replacing your hardware every time Google support runs out It might make sense to accept those problems if your threat model can only be addressed by Graphene, but for the rest of us, something else might be a better (and more responsible) choice. At least for now. I would love to see non-Google devices with the features that GrapheneOS requires.

serbuvlad 2y ago
I don't think this is a very compelling argument. The main argument I can see against GrapheneOS on Pixel is that Pixels are just damn expensive phones. I don't mind giving Google, or any other company, my money. Especially not in exchange for something like hardware. What I object to is giving Google (or any other entity) my data.
danielspace23 2y ago
You can find used Pixels almost anywhere (I know because I'm using one), which saves you from giving money to Google. About software support, isn't that true for all devices and all manufacturers? Google guarantees 7 years of android updates and security patches, which is way better than most competitors, and Graphene adds in some years of extended support. Not to mention that once all support is over, if you don't care about the fact that firmware, kernel and vendor code will never be updated, you can still switch to LineageOS, which still has nightly builds even for the first Pixel with extremely updated security patches. The only valid point is that hardware is controlled by Google. There could be some sort of extremely-low-level backdoor or spyware, and we would never know. That's also true of each and every other CPU, modem or device with vendor-specific code.

serbuvlad 2y ago

I don't think this is a very compelling argument. The main argument I can see against GrapheneOS on Pixel is that Pixels are just damn expensive phones. I don't mind giving Google, or any other company, my money. Especially not in exchange for something like hardware. What I object to is giving Google (or any other entity) my data.

danielspace23 2y ago

You can find used Pixels almost anywhere (I know because I'm using one), which saves you from giving money to Google. About software support, isn't that true for all devices and all manufacturers? Google guarantees 7 years of android updates and security patches, which is way better than most competitors, and Graphene adds in some years of extended support. Not to mention that once all support is over, if you don't care about the fact that firmware, kernel and vendor code will never be updated, you can still switch to LineageOS, which still has nightly builds even for the first Pixel with extremely updated security patches. The only valid point is that hardware is controlled by Google. There could be some sort of extremely-low-level backdoor or spyware, and we would never know. That's also true of each and every other CPU, modem or device with vendor-specific code.