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The title is not correct IMO, it is not "end-to-end encrypted" by default. But the traffic between you and the Telegram server is always encrypted and the "end

by janmo 2y ago

The title is not correct IMO, it is not "end-to-end encrypted" by default. But the traffic between you and the Telegram server is always encrypted and the "end-to-end encryption" can be enabled.

brnt 2y ago
Telegram appears to be the last company selling SSL as "encryption" though. In 2024 that's akin to claiming that your car doesn't need oil every 500km, foodproduct has a reasonably predictable shelf life or tap water is safe for consumption. It's all great, also arguments a generation old. Maybe I should add 'literate' on my resume too...
- cocodill 2y ago
  https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
- Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
  Genuinely curious.. in what sense do you not consider SSL to be encryption?
  - mr_mitm 2y ago
    In the sense that SSL in 2024 is the bare minimum and goes without saying, so when talking about encryption we mean e2ee.
    - rvnx 2y ago
      and also, a lot of the "HTTPS" encryption is only encryption until the Cloudflare edge node.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    As always, context matters. SSL is clearly encryption, but if you talk about encrypted messaging, in this future year of 2024, people will assume that you mean end to end encryption. If it was 1996, this might be a different story, of course, but it's not. Telegram really has kind of pulled off a masterstroke in marketing by convincing people that it is e2e encrypted (honestly, as a non-user I assumed that its non-group messaging was until the current fuss), while not being, even where it would be easy to be (non-group stuff). One might reasonably question their motives there.
twelve40 2y ago
You are right, but they are just having good fun shitting on the service, and the guy ("obsessed") for being a donor. Why not get some cheap clicks?
vel0city 2y ago
Then we can say with my comment the traffic between you and Hacker News is encrypted. See, its using TLS.
- rvnx 2y ago
  "The same encryption as your bank"
  - warkdarrior 2y ago
    "Military grade"
lxgr 2y ago
Everything is transport-encrypted these days. Almost everybody still emphasizing that as a product feature is doing so out of questionable motives.

by janmo 2y ago

The title is not correct IMO, it is not "end-to-end encrypted" by default. But the traffic between you and the Telegram server is always encrypted and the "end-to-end encryption" can be enabled.

brnt 2y ago

Telegram appears to be the last company selling SSL as "encryption" though. In 2024 that's akin to claiming that your car doesn't need oil every 500km, foodproduct has a reasonably predictable shelf life or tap water is safe for consumption. It's all great, also arguments a generation old. Maybe I should add 'literate' on my resume too...

cocodill 2y ago
https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end https://core.telegram.org/api/end-to-end
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
Djdjur7373bb 2y ago
Genuinely curious.. in what sense do you not consider SSL to be encryption?
- mr_mitm 2y ago
  In the sense that SSL in 2024 is the bare minimum and goes without saying, so when talking about encryption we mean e2ee.
  - rvnx 2y ago
    and also, a lot of the "HTTPS" encryption is only encryption until the Cloudflare edge node.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  As always, context matters. SSL is clearly encryption, but if you talk about encrypted messaging, in this future year of 2024, people will assume that you mean end to end encryption. If it was 1996, this might be a different story, of course, but it's not. Telegram really has kind of pulled off a masterstroke in marketing by convincing people that it is e2e encrypted (honestly, as a non-user I assumed that its non-group messaging was until the current fuss), while not being, even where it would be easy to be (non-group stuff). One might reasonably question their motives there.

twelve40 2y ago

You are right, but they are just having good fun shitting on the service, and the guy ("obsessed") for being a donor. Why not get some cheap clicks?

vel0city 2y ago

Then we can say with my comment the traffic between you and Hacker News is encrypted. See, its using TLS.

rvnx 2y ago
"The same encryption as your bank"
- warkdarrior 2y ago
  "Military grade"

lxgr 2y ago

Everything is transport-encrypted these days. Almost everybody still emphasizing that as a product feature is doing so out of questionable motives.