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silent_cal 2y ago
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- surfingdino 2y ago
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benopal64 2y ago
What about the people, in Russia, right now, that are actively creating culture? Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country, they are only a small subset of the people from that country. Unfortunately, some parties in control of countries think it is ethically or morally right to send children to kill other people's children.
- surfingdino 2y ago
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  - benterix 2y ago
    > absolutely love their tzars whoever they may be I don't believe it's true at all. I frequent some Russian forums to get a general sentiment and although people are quite careful to be not too open so that they don't get in trouble, it's pretty clear that Putin is hated for getting the country in this deep shit.
    - Const-me 2y ago
      I also frequent some Russian forums. I have an impression that on average, Russians don’t blame Putin for starting the war against Ukraine. They hate him for being unable to win the war he started. They don’t seem to oppose crimes committed by their government. They believe the main reason their country in deep shit is western military aid to Ukraine, and international sanctions against Russia.
- mopsi 2y ago
  > Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population, as do the underlying cultural narratives about Russian superiority that make the population turn blind eye to and even take pride in the suffering they cause to others. You can kill the entire Russian leadership, and the population will just fill their empty seats with another batch of similar people. They have been doing so for the past five centuries. The creative class that perpetuates the narratives of exceptionalism (like Moscow being the Third Rome[1]) have a large role in setting up the environment for the looting, raping and murdering that takes place downstream. This is similar to how German naturalism directly fed into Nazism: idealization of "simple peasant life" led to the invasion of Poland, murder of Jews and enslavement of Poles, to fill Poland with farms where every German could have their piece of paradise. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population That's not true. There's about 15-20% of the population that supports the war, about 15-20% of the population that opposes it, and the rest is completely demotivated and doesn't care.
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    - mopsi 2y ago
      The support has been consistently around 75%.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        You'll need to provide reliable polling data (i.e. not originating or influenced by the Russian government) to support this assertion, please. Also: They have been doing so for the past five centuries. And yet the Germans seem to have genuinely changed, and all of the other European powers gave up their hyperfixations with their respective colonialist adventures. Even the U.S. public seems to have, by and large, lost its taste for the sorts of quasicolonial adventures (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) it readily accepted just a few decades ago. There's no reason the Russian population (which I do agree continues to tolerate these adventures; though it does not "overwhelmingly support" them) cannot change their attitudes within a generation or two as well. Given the proper arrangement of facts on the ground, that is. Specifically: a clear strategic defeat of its current adventure (probably the most farcical of all in its history).
- salemh 2y ago
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- MrDisposable 2y ago
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dang 2y ago
Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with, regardless of how legitimate your reasons are. The same goes for any other commenter and any other country. You posted a ton of these comments in this thread—that is seriously not ok. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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silent_cal 2y ago

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surfingdino 2y ago
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benopal64 2y ago

What about the people, in Russia, right now, that are actively creating culture? Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country, they are only a small subset of the people from that country. Unfortunately, some parties in control of countries think it is ethically or morally right to send children to kill other people's children.

surfingdino 2y ago
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- benterix 2y ago
  > absolutely love their tzars whoever they may be I don't believe it's true at all. I frequent some Russian forums to get a general sentiment and although people are quite careful to be not too open so that they don't get in trouble, it's pretty clear that Putin is hated for getting the country in this deep shit.
  - Const-me 2y ago
    I also frequent some Russian forums. I have an impression that on average, Russians don’t blame Putin for starting the war against Ukraine. They hate him for being unable to win the war he started. They don’t seem to oppose crimes committed by their government. They believe the main reason their country in deep shit is western military aid to Ukraine, and international sanctions against Russia.
mopsi 2y ago
> Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population, as do the underlying cultural narratives about Russian superiority that make the population turn blind eye to and even take pride in the suffering they cause to others. You can kill the entire Russian leadership, and the population will just fill their empty seats with another batch of similar people. They have been doing so for the past five centuries. The creative class that perpetuates the narratives of exceptionalism (like Moscow being the Third Rome[1]) have a large role in setting up the environment for the looting, raping and murdering that takes place downstream. This is similar to how German naturalism directly fed into Nazism: idealization of "simple peasant life" led to the invasion of Poland, murder of Jews and enslavement of Poles, to fill Poland with farms where every German could have their piece of paradise. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome
- cyberax 2y ago
  > The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population That's not true. There's about 15-20% of the population that supports the war, about 15-20% of the population that opposes it, and the rest is completely demotivated and doesn't care.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
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  - mopsi 2y ago
    The support has been consistently around 75%.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      You'll need to provide reliable polling data (i.e. not originating or influenced by the Russian government) to support this assertion, please. Also: They have been doing so for the past five centuries. And yet the Germans seem to have genuinely changed, and all of the other European powers gave up their hyperfixations with their respective colonialist adventures. Even the U.S. public seems to have, by and large, lost its taste for the sorts of quasicolonial adventures (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) it readily accepted just a few decades ago. There's no reason the Russian population (which I do agree continues to tolerate these adventures; though it does not "overwhelmingly support" them) cannot change their attitudes within a generation or two as well. Given the proper arrangement of facts on the ground, that is. Specifically: a clear strategic defeat of its current adventure (probably the most farcical of all in its history).
salemh 2y ago
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MrDisposable 2y ago
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dang 2y ago

Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which country you have a problem with, regardless of how legitimate your reasons are. The same goes for any other commenter and any other country. You posted a ton of these comments in this thread—that is seriously not ok. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. No more of this, please. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.