4 ms·

It seems awfully paranoid to leap from “the protocol isn’t totally clear” to “do they think I believe everything on the internet?!”. Read the bottle. Put it on

It seems awfully paranoid to leap from “the protocol isn’t totally clear” to “do they think I believe everything on the internet?!”. Read the bottle. Put it on. If you’re in an area prone to Lyme disease it’ll be far worse than any tiny degree of poison from bug spray.

neilv 2y ago
For example: You just instructed people to put on bug repellent, without qualifying that. Then you appended a supporting rationale that applies only to some people, in support of your advice. So it's unclear whether you're speaking from a public health strategy, informed by expert knowledge on pertinent topics, and trying to minimize net harm over a large population, when you can use only a few broadcast words. Or whether you have almost no idea what you're talking about, but are simply parroting your own interpretation of those few words you heard. I'm speaking as the kind of person who was fine getting Covid vaccine, as soon as I heard doctors in general were giving it to their own families. I'm asking why I keep seeing this particular blanket advice about bug repellent, and what does it actually mean. For example, if we take some of the uses of this soundbite advice literally, it would imply that the situation is so dire that even incurring a population percentage of known adverse effects from people who will follow these instructions without reading the back of the bottle and second-guessing, is worthwhile. I think I need a straight answer about what it means, from someone who knows what they're talking about, including about any public health and communications calculus involved.
- jncfhnb 2y ago
  This brinksmanship of determining if bug spray is a good idea or not is a pretty moronic approach to understanding… anything. You can do your own research if you want, but your personal opinion is of no importance to anyone and it’s not surprising that someone hasn’t hand delivered you a special report on an issue that most people consider mundane and not important. If you’re wandering through woods that have equine encephalitis mosquitos and Lyme disease ticks then wear some bug spray. You don’t need the full toxicity report to build your priors that these really serious diseases are much more threatening than these extremely common products. MA has both of these and pretty much everyone here not living in a purely urban environment knows someone that has gotten seriously ill from Lyme. Nobody knows anyone that is seriously ill from bug spray. If you’re going to be doing this every day, maybe consider putting some effort in, but otherwise just read the bottle. Your priors have to be so wildly distorted from reality for your line of argument here to be sensible. > I'm speaking as the kind of person who was fine getting Covid vaccine, as soon as I heard doctors in general were giving it to their own families. Sorry, but that’s a really stupid heuristic that implies your primary concern is that the doctors are lying to you. Paranoia, as I mentioned above.
  - neilv 2y ago
    I think that you uncharitably misinterpreted some honest and reasonable comments, that your own view isn't as informed and reasoned as you think, and that you unloaded an unnecessary personal attack to discourage genuine curiosity and concern.

neilv 2y ago

For example: You just instructed people to put on bug repellent, without qualifying that. Then you appended a supporting rationale that applies only to some people, in support of your advice. So it's unclear whether you're speaking from a public health strategy, informed by expert knowledge on pertinent topics, and trying to minimize net harm over a large population, when you can use only a few broadcast words. Or whether you have almost no idea what you're talking about, but are simply parroting your own interpretation of those few words you heard. I'm speaking as the kind of person who was fine getting Covid vaccine, as soon as I heard doctors in general were giving it to their own families. I'm asking why I keep seeing this particular blanket advice about bug repellent, and what does it actually mean. For example, if we take some of the uses of this soundbite advice literally, it would imply that the situation is so dire that even incurring a population percentage of known adverse effects from people who will follow these instructions without reading the back of the bottle and second-guessing, is worthwhile. I think I need a straight answer about what it means, from someone who knows what they're talking about, including about any public health and communications calculus involved.

jncfhnb 2y ago
This brinksmanship of determining if bug spray is a good idea or not is a pretty moronic approach to understanding… anything. You can do your own research if you want, but your personal opinion is of no importance to anyone and it’s not surprising that someone hasn’t hand delivered you a special report on an issue that most people consider mundane and not important. If you’re wandering through woods that have equine encephalitis mosquitos and Lyme disease ticks then wear some bug spray. You don’t need the full toxicity report to build your priors that these really serious diseases are much more threatening than these extremely common products. MA has both of these and pretty much everyone here not living in a purely urban environment knows someone that has gotten seriously ill from Lyme. Nobody knows anyone that is seriously ill from bug spray. If you’re going to be doing this every day, maybe consider putting some effort in, but otherwise just read the bottle. Your priors have to be so wildly distorted from reality for your line of argument here to be sensible. > I'm speaking as the kind of person who was fine getting Covid vaccine, as soon as I heard doctors in general were giving it to their own families. Sorry, but that’s a really stupid heuristic that implies your primary concern is that the doctors are lying to you. Paranoia, as I mentioned above.
- neilv 2y ago
  I think that you uncharitably misinterpreted some honest and reasonable comments, that your own view isn't as informed and reasoned as you think, and that you unloaded an unnecessary personal attack to discourage genuine curiosity and concern.