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Hard disagree. I'm a Sway user and tiling wm evangelist, I absolutely do not want a suite of preinstalled software to come baked into my wm/compositor. I'm hap

Hard disagree. I'm a Sway user and tiling wm evangelist, I absolutely do not want a suite of preinstalled software to come baked into my wm/compositor. I'm happy to install the software that I need. If someone wants to distribute a complete Linux desktop with a tiling wm as default, that would be interesting, but a generic DE with a tiling wm to me seems like a waste of time.

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dicytea 2y ago
No one's saying that they should include a DE into Sway. Your precious WM will still be with you even if someone decides to make a new tiling DE. I'm a Hyprland user and honestly, cobbling together a poor man's DE using half-baked amateur-ish GTK apps and copy-pasting Nerd Font icons no longer spark any joy for me. I'm basically ready to jump at the first sight of a viable alternative. I'm very optimistic about Cosmic DE in this regards.
- subsection1h 2y ago
  > cobbling together a poor man's DE using half-baked amateur-ish GTK apps Do you think that GNOME's web browser (Epiphany?) and KDE's web browser (Konqueror?) are better than Firefox and Chromium? Do you think that GNOME Text Editor and KDE's text editor (Kate?) are better than Emacs?
  - dicytea 2y ago
    By DE, I'm mostly talking about having a cohesive graphical shell, not the random apps that comes pre-installed (who cares about those?). The login manager, lock screen, taskbar, notification daemon, launcher, OSD, workspace overview, etc. In WMs (or WM-like compositors), you either have to cobble all of this together yourself or just give up and convince yourself that you're a minimalist. Doing this kind of stuff was fun for a while, but these days I'm starting to crave for something actually good and polished.
  - leni536 2y ago
    I'm using KDE and I have neither Konqueror nor Kate installed. Those are very much optional, I don't consider them part of the DE.
  - badsectoracula 2y ago
    FWIW i do like and use Falkon (KDE's browser) often these days as it is based QtWebEngine (Chromium in Qt) but has a simple Qt-based interface. I still use Firefox as my main browser but when i need to open a completely separate browser (sometimes sites do like my Firefox configuration - or i just want to test out something) i've found Falkon to be the best alternative. Also Kate is better than Emacs as far as i'm concerned because it doesn't have its own weird UX and doesn't take reading a tutorial to figure out how to have a sidebar with a file browser in it :-P (i've long figure out how that is done on Emacs and use it occasionally because of custom language support elisp i wrote ages ago and don't want to bother rewriting but these days 99% of my plain text editing needs are covered by Kate). (also FWIW i'm not using KDE/Plasma as my DE, in fact i'm using Window Maker instead of a DE at all, i just like some of KDE's utilities)
- aledue 2y ago
  I've recently installed (a maintained fork of) Krohnkite[0], a tiling WM for Plasma 6, and I'm happy with it so far after tweaking the key bindings. Things I miss: - a scratchpad; - toggling back and forth between desktops/workspaces with super+number (e.g. super+3 goes to desktop 3, but if I'm already on 3 I want to go back to the previous desktop); - I also miss a bit the "manual" tiling from i3/sway (where you can choose where the next split will be). Krohnkite is DWM-style with predefined layouts (two columns, spiral, monocle...). Maybe some of this can be done on Plasma/Krohnkite too (for the third I doubt but it's low priority), I haven't really looked into that. [0] https://github.com/anametologin/krohnkite/ https://github.com/anametologin/krohnkite/
- RealStickman_ 2y ago
  I just switched from sway to KDE + Kröhnkite script for the exact same reasons. So far I like it, though it is slightly different.
MSFT_Edging 2y ago
I tried a pre-defined i3 with manjaro and I absolutely hated the experience. Tiling wms are very opinionated, and having it pre-installed means the typical ~/.config files are put elsewhere, with someone else's opinions, color schemes, etc. It takes longer to undo it than to start fresh.
wing-_-nuts 2y ago
I actually like using a DE over sway because it builds in a sane set of defaults for everything. Like yeah I could spend hours of my life trying to configure sway and waybar to my liking while getting some wayland compatible version of redshift going, or, I could just use popOs's gnome and get on with my life. I used to love to fiddle with all those things when I was younger, and I used to hang out on r/unixporn and appreciate all the cool WMs, but at some point I realized I just wanted a working desktop that got out of my way and let me code.
- azthecx 2y ago
  You really don't have to fiddle with the defaults after that initial /r/unixporn curve, I've started with i3 over a decade ago and I've changed over the years but the core features that are actually useful always are automatic window tiling, desktop / workspace navigation, window navigation, movements and resizing.
badgersnake 2y ago
Same, but if a DE fixed a few things I would be happy. * Make it work with a graphical login * Make screen sharing work out the box without having to set env vars and faff with xdg-desktop-portal * xdg-desktop-portal generally, the -wlr version doesn’t implement some things which means you have to have a fallback * desktop notifications out of the box.

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dicytea 2y ago

No one's saying that they should include a DE into Sway. Your precious WM will still be with you even if someone decides to make a new tiling DE. I'm a Hyprland user and honestly, cobbling together a poor man's DE using half-baked amateur-ish GTK apps and copy-pasting Nerd Font icons no longer spark any joy for me. I'm basically ready to jump at the first sight of a viable alternative. I'm very optimistic about Cosmic DE in this regards.

subsection1h 2y ago
> cobbling together a poor man's DE using half-baked amateur-ish GTK apps Do you think that GNOME's web browser (Epiphany?) and KDE's web browser (Konqueror?) are better than Firefox and Chromium? Do you think that GNOME Text Editor and KDE's text editor (Kate?) are better than Emacs?
- dicytea 2y ago
  By DE, I'm mostly talking about having a cohesive graphical shell, not the random apps that comes pre-installed (who cares about those?). The login manager, lock screen, taskbar, notification daemon, launcher, OSD, workspace overview, etc. In WMs (or WM-like compositors), you either have to cobble all of this together yourself or just give up and convince yourself that you're a minimalist. Doing this kind of stuff was fun for a while, but these days I'm starting to crave for something actually good and polished.
- leni536 2y ago
  I'm using KDE and I have neither Konqueror nor Kate installed. Those are very much optional, I don't consider them part of the DE.
- badsectoracula 2y ago
  FWIW i do like and use Falkon (KDE's browser) often these days as it is based QtWebEngine (Chromium in Qt) but has a simple Qt-based interface. I still use Firefox as my main browser but when i need to open a completely separate browser (sometimes sites do like my Firefox configuration - or i just want to test out something) i've found Falkon to be the best alternative. Also Kate is better than Emacs as far as i'm concerned because it doesn't have its own weird UX and doesn't take reading a tutorial to figure out how to have a sidebar with a file browser in it :-P (i've long figure out how that is done on Emacs and use it occasionally because of custom language support elisp i wrote ages ago and don't want to bother rewriting but these days 99% of my plain text editing needs are covered by Kate). (also FWIW i'm not using KDE/Plasma as my DE, in fact i'm using Window Maker instead of a DE at all, i just like some of KDE's utilities)
aledue 2y ago
I've recently installed (a maintained fork of) Krohnkite[0], a tiling WM for Plasma 6, and I'm happy with it so far after tweaking the key bindings. Things I miss: - a scratchpad; - toggling back and forth between desktops/workspaces with super+number (e.g. super+3 goes to desktop 3, but if I'm already on 3 I want to go back to the previous desktop); - I also miss a bit the "manual" tiling from i3/sway (where you can choose where the next split will be). Krohnkite is DWM-style with predefined layouts (two columns, spiral, monocle...). Maybe some of this can be done on Plasma/Krohnkite too (for the third I doubt but it's low priority), I haven't really looked into that. [0] https://github.com/anametologin/krohnkite/ https://github.com/anametologin/krohnkite/
RealStickman_ 2y ago
I just switched from sway to KDE + Kröhnkite script for the exact same reasons. So far I like it, though it is slightly different.

MSFT_Edging 2y ago

I tried a pre-defined i3 with manjaro and I absolutely hated the experience. Tiling wms are very opinionated, and having it pre-installed means the typical ~/.config files are put elsewhere, with someone else's opinions, color schemes, etc. It takes longer to undo it than to start fresh.

wing-_-nuts 2y ago

I actually like using a DE over sway because it builds in a sane set of defaults for everything. Like yeah I could spend hours of my life trying to configure sway and waybar to my liking while getting some wayland compatible version of redshift going, or, I could just use popOs's gnome and get on with my life. I used to love to fiddle with all those things when I was younger, and I used to hang out on r/unixporn and appreciate all the cool WMs, but at some point I realized I just wanted a working desktop that got out of my way and let me code.

azthecx 2y ago
You really don't have to fiddle with the defaults after that initial /r/unixporn curve, I've started with i3 over a decade ago and I've changed over the years but the core features that are actually useful always are automatic window tiling, desktop / workspace navigation, window navigation, movements and resizing.

badgersnake 2y ago

Same, but if a DE fixed a few things I would be happy. * Make it work with a graphical login * Make screen sharing work out the box without having to set env vars and faff with xdg-desktop-portal * xdg-desktop-portal generally, the -wlr version doesn’t implement some things which means you have to have a fallback * desktop notifications out of the box.