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I consider myself on the higher end of bandwidth consumption, but it's challenging to see myself ever saturating a 7Gb link. I've been struggling to get 10G wor

I consider myself on the higher end of bandwidth consumption, but it's challenging to see myself ever saturating a 7Gb link. I've been struggling to get 10G working in my house -- 2.5Gb sort-of works, but there's just so much equipment to upgrade in the meantime. I had to get a fibre link installed just to connect two parts of my network together and doing that as a regular-joe consumer is practically impossible. I wonder if they are counting on the fact that it's practically un-saturable as a home user.

dylan604 2y ago
I'd imagine SOHO situations are the the most likely to benefit not Joey Gamer. It also really feels like more of a commercial vs residential offering. Unless your house is running a camming website where multiple feeds are being pushed simultaneously. We all have different hobbies
- mmastrac 2y ago
  My hobby includes a lot of large docker images, self-hosting a somewhat popular website, and attempting to get my file server serving as quickly as possible to the other places in my house. I use a reasonable amount of bandwidth in my WFH job (and my partner does as well), but we're just barely topping out a 300Mbit connection right now. I think we could make use of gigabit during the burstiest periods, however.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    An internal file server used on your local net has nothing to do with WAN speeds though. If you have a residential account, most of those actually exclude running a server with external public access on those accounts, but many people are not aware of that specific fine print.
    - mmastrac 2y ago
      Well yeah, obviously LAN and WAN are different. But they're all running over that same LAN fabric to get to the WAN. Having high-speed streaming access to files on the server is somewhat important as well (mostly while travelling). With Cloudflare access my file server and website are available without being detectable to the ISP, though I actually do have a static IP + hosting plan through an interesting ISP called Skyway West in Canada.
klodolph 2y ago
I think part of it is marketing and part of it is building last-mile infrastructure that doesn’t need to be upgraded for a long time. Last-mile is already such a pain, you might as well build something that will last. (Just my guess.)
- mmastrac 2y ago
  That's totally fair. Building out a 7Gb last mile is probably giving them 10-15 years of headroom for last mile upgrades.
jsheard 2y ago
Even for the most voracious "Linux ISO" consumers it's well into diminishing returns, with a single gigabit connection it only takes 5 minutes to download a 50GB Bluray remux. That's already at the point where you can download the absolute highest quality video an order of magnitude faster than you can watch it. For data hoarders, one gigabit is already enough to fill a 10TB HDD in less than a day.
- Lammma 2y ago
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drewg123 2y ago
When I moved a few years ago into Verizon Fios territory, I was excited about the 1Gb/s upload speed vs the 20Mb/s I had with my previous cable provider. I WFH, and upload a lot of kernels and entire OS images to our test servers. My excitement was short-lived. Soon after moving, I realized that our internal VPN implementation was limited to 50-60Mbs/. So had 50x more upload bandwidth than before, but could only make use of 2x as much bandwidth for the use case I care most about.
nolok 2y ago
I have a 8/8 Gbps fiber (suburbs of a large city in France), and the point is more or less that you never sature it neither up or down. That's essentially why I upgraded from my 5/1 previous offer. For 60e/month I get that, ~260 TV channels, amazon prime, netflix/disney+/canal+ included, wifi 7 and a secondary extender with ethernet backhaul support, a 2.5Gb switch, dedicated ipv4, and a bunch of other things included like a cellphone sim card, a portable 4G router with 50Gb of monthly data, etc ... What our governement did in incentives push for their "project high speed internet" really worked here, 15 years ago even in large cities we were behind with lackluster adsl. Add EU's push to open the historic copper lines and Free's push into breaking the old money's market, both the home and mobile market is really great.
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  > What our governement did in incentives push for their "project high speed internet" really worked here, Similar is happening in spots in the US. I'm in a location that was trenched for fiber using the recent broadband stimulus funds. I went from 40Mb up to 2Gb.
  - nolok 2y ago
    Part of what they did here that worked so well was put a lot of money on the table, but tie it + deployment privilege in big cities / money sources to guaranteed deployment in smaller areas. France is much more empty than people in other country usually believe, we're no germany with our population spread out all over, we have a large areas with a lower population density than the midwest called the "empty diagonal" [1], and yet as of today we have 83% of fiber coverage There is no way those area would be covered without such a system For the mobile coverage they made it even simpler, in that the ISP right to their frequencies is tied to a timeline of coverage % of the territory, so we have 75% covered in 5G and 90% in 4G. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal
pram 2y ago
It's not that hard or expensive now, there are lots of 10 gig unmanaged switches on Amazon. I recently upgraded my home network to all 10/2.5 and I used the TP-Link TL-SX1008 as my "main"
- mmastrac 2y ago
  I bought a bunch of 2x10gbit/4x2.5gbit switches as well but I'm in a townhouse with four floors and it's a small challenge to distribute that bandwidth. We have individual runs to each room, but part of my network is built on older in-wall UniFi wifi nodes that have their own PoE needs and top out at 1Gbit themselves. The problem is that there's just a lot of home infrastructure that requires upgrading before I can get to this point. I could get 10Gbit to the UDM no problem, but then I need to install the 10Gbit cards in my file server that are sitting on top of it, swap out a 1Gb mikrotik that routes all the home server traffic, etc etc etc
Lammma 2y ago
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dylan604 2y ago

I'd imagine SOHO situations are the the most likely to benefit not Joey Gamer. It also really feels like more of a commercial vs residential offering. Unless your house is running a camming website where multiple feeds are being pushed simultaneously. We all have different hobbies

mmastrac 2y ago
My hobby includes a lot of large docker images, self-hosting a somewhat popular website, and attempting to get my file server serving as quickly as possible to the other places in my house. I use a reasonable amount of bandwidth in my WFH job (and my partner does as well), but we're just barely topping out a 300Mbit connection right now. I think we could make use of gigabit during the burstiest periods, however.
- dylan604 2y ago
  An internal file server used on your local net has nothing to do with WAN speeds though. If you have a residential account, most of those actually exclude running a server with external public access on those accounts, but many people are not aware of that specific fine print.
  - mmastrac 2y ago
    Well yeah, obviously LAN and WAN are different. But they're all running over that same LAN fabric to get to the WAN. Having high-speed streaming access to files on the server is somewhat important as well (mostly while travelling). With Cloudflare access my file server and website are available without being detectable to the ISP, though I actually do have a static IP + hosting plan through an interesting ISP called Skyway West in Canada.

klodolph 2y ago

I think part of it is marketing and part of it is building last-mile infrastructure that doesn’t need to be upgraded for a long time. Last-mile is already such a pain, you might as well build something that will last. (Just my guess.)

mmastrac 2y ago
That's totally fair. Building out a 7Gb last mile is probably giving them 10-15 years of headroom for last mile upgrades.

jsheard 2y ago

Even for the most voracious "Linux ISO" consumers it's well into diminishing returns, with a single gigabit connection it only takes 5 minutes to download a 50GB Bluray remux. That's already at the point where you can download the absolute highest quality video an order of magnitude faster than you can watch it. For data hoarders, one gigabit is already enough to fill a 10TB HDD in less than a day.

Lammma 2y ago
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drewg123 2y ago

When I moved a few years ago into Verizon Fios territory, I was excited about the 1Gb/s upload speed vs the 20Mb/s I had with my previous cable provider. I WFH, and upload a lot of kernels and entire OS images to our test servers. My excitement was short-lived. Soon after moving, I realized that our internal VPN implementation was limited to 50-60Mbs/. So had 50x more upload bandwidth than before, but could only make use of 2x as much bandwidth for the use case I care most about.

nolok 2y ago

I have a 8/8 Gbps fiber (suburbs of a large city in France), and the point is more or less that you never sature it neither up or down. That's essentially why I upgraded from my 5/1 previous offer. For 60e/month I get that, ~260 TV channels, amazon prime, netflix/disney+/canal+ included, wifi 7 and a secondary extender with ethernet backhaul support, a 2.5Gb switch, dedicated ipv4, and a bunch of other things included like a cellphone sim card, a portable 4G router with 50Gb of monthly data, etc ... What our governement did in incentives push for their "project high speed internet" really worked here, 15 years ago even in large cities we were behind with lackluster adsl. Add EU's push to open the historic copper lines and Free's push into breaking the old money's market, both the home and mobile market is really great.

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
> What our governement did in incentives push for their "project high speed internet" really worked here, Similar is happening in spots in the US. I'm in a location that was trenched for fiber using the recent broadband stimulus funds. I went from 40Mb up to 2Gb.
- nolok 2y ago
  Part of what they did here that worked so well was put a lot of money on the table, but tie it + deployment privilege in big cities / money sources to guaranteed deployment in smaller areas. France is much more empty than people in other country usually believe, we're no germany with our population spread out all over, we have a large areas with a lower population density than the midwest called the "empty diagonal" [1], and yet as of today we have 83% of fiber coverage There is no way those area would be covered without such a system For the mobile coverage they made it even simpler, in that the ISP right to their frequencies is tied to a timeline of coverage % of the territory, so we have 75% covered in 5G and 90% in 4G. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empty_diagonal

pram 2y ago

It's not that hard or expensive now, there are lots of 10 gig unmanaged switches on Amazon. I recently upgraded my home network to all 10/2.5 and I used the TP-Link TL-SX1008 as my "main"

mmastrac 2y ago
I bought a bunch of 2x10gbit/4x2.5gbit switches as well but I'm in a townhouse with four floors and it's a small challenge to distribute that bandwidth. We have individual runs to each room, but part of my network is built on older in-wall UniFi wifi nodes that have their own PoE needs and top out at 1Gbit themselves. The problem is that there's just a lot of home infrastructure that requires upgrading before I can get to this point. I could get 10Gbit to the UDM no problem, but then I need to install the 10Gbit cards in my file server that are sitting on top of it, swap out a 1Gb mikrotik that routes all the home server traffic, etc etc etc

Lammma 2y ago

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