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Your boss is telling on themselves, admitting that they do expect you to work outside of normal working hours, even if to just read the email. Sending that ema

Your boss is telling on themselves, admitting that they do expect you to work outside of normal working hours, even if to just read the email. Sending that email out of office hours itself is a red flag.

poincaredisk 2y ago
What's wrong with sending an email out of office hours? I don't understand the sentiment, even though I've seen some people express it. Nobody's gonna read that email until Monday anyway - or at least shouldn't.
- fragmede 2y ago
  it's the "at least shouldn't" that's what's wrong. if your director sends an email late Friday night and your amalgamation of devices and nervous habits ends up seeing it before 9am Monday, it's going to sit in your brain, messing up your off-work hours. so "send at 9am" is just being courteous these days.
  - TheSalarian 2y ago
    If your own nervous habits lead you to checking work emails outside of work, it sounds like you were preoccupied with thoughts about work regardless of whether or not you received an email. No, the correct solution if you can't ignore a notification is to either block notifications from work apps entirely, or to create a notification schedule that blocks work apps outside of given hours. That schedule should be made during work hours, of course.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      If the employee is a nervous person, and that nervousness is impacting their work, and you need them to relax, and they can't, you need to figure out a way to help them relax.
sneak 2y ago
The concept of office hours is obsolete when there is no office. It’s not your job to make sure that others have boundaries.
- defrost 2y ago
  Mining operations run 24/7/365 days a year and workers have shifts. Being contacted out of hours (notice the absence of the word office) is a no-no unless there's an on call agreement .. and even that has a roster. There's an unspoken exception for serious accidents that require hands on deck to save lives | recover bodies. I don't regard sending an email as an issue, it's much like posting a letter - but there's no obligation to read or respond to a work email out of hours (in countries such as Australia).

poincaredisk 2y ago

What's wrong with sending an email out of office hours? I don't understand the sentiment, even though I've seen some people express it. Nobody's gonna read that email until Monday anyway - or at least shouldn't.

fragmede 2y ago
it's the "at least shouldn't" that's what's wrong. if your director sends an email late Friday night and your amalgamation of devices and nervous habits ends up seeing it before 9am Monday, it's going to sit in your brain, messing up your off-work hours. so "send at 9am" is just being courteous these days.
- TheSalarian 2y ago
  If your own nervous habits lead you to checking work emails outside of work, it sounds like you were preoccupied with thoughts about work regardless of whether or not you received an email. No, the correct solution if you can't ignore a notification is to either block notifications from work apps entirely, or to create a notification schedule that blocks work apps outside of given hours. That schedule should be made during work hours, of course.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    If the employee is a nervous person, and that nervousness is impacting their work, and you need them to relax, and they can't, you need to figure out a way to help them relax.

sneak 2y ago

The concept of office hours is obsolete when there is no office. It’s not your job to make sure that others have boundaries.

defrost 2y ago
Mining operations run 24/7/365 days a year and workers have shifts. Being contacted out of hours (notice the absence of the word office) is a no-no unless there's an on call agreement .. and even that has a roster. There's an unspoken exception for serious accidents that require hands on deck to save lives | recover bodies. I don't regard sending an email as an issue, it's much like posting a letter - but there's no obligation to read or respond to a work email out of hours (in countries such as Australia).