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So, before this "right" they were physically attached to their devices unable to freely decide to ignore emails? Or there was some kind of timer and expect SLA

by 627467 2y ago

So, before this "right" they were physically attached to their devices unable to freely decide to ignore emails? Or there was some kind of timer and expect SLA for answers that needed to be met? Or maybe because not replying under a given SLA led you to be fired? In which case my question is: is your only option to work for companies that have this culture? And you have to force all companies to behave in the same way?

skizm 2y ago
I'm guessing it is something like, you can't be fired specifically for not answering outside of working hours. Nothing stopping companies from firing you for not fitting company culture (the unspoken part being company culture is we all answer calls outside of work hours). Still a step forward because there will be some careless/incompetent companies that leave a paper trail indicating they fired you for this so you can sue and get paid.
- 627467 2y ago
  So, hiding true intentions and needs is better? Why is regulation not to force companies to be clear that you may be expected to be flexible with your corp comunication before signing the contract?
  - Vegenoid 2y ago
    > So, hiding true intentions and needs is better? No, it is illegal. Your proposed law would have the opposite effect of the law that passed: every company would include this in their employment contract and would have legal protections to make employees work overtime. In addition, there are exceptions: > To cater for emergencies and jobs with irregular hours, the rule still allows employers to contact their workers, who can only refuse to respond where it is reasonable to do so. Determining whether a refusal is reasonable will be up to Australia's industrial umpire, the Fair Work Commission (FWC), which must take into account an employee's role, personal circumstances and how and why the contact was made.
    - 627467 2y ago
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      - wredue 2y ago
        It never ceases to amaze me that people argue against things that are good for them. You remain free to answer calls after hours. You simply cannot be fired or reprimanded for not being at your employers beck and call after hours *if you choose not to be*. Even in situations where after hours calls require pay to immediately start, you remain free to negotiate with your employer how that works. If anything, creating such regulation *increases your freedoms*.

by 627467 2y ago

skizm 2y ago

I'm guessing it is something like, you can't be fired specifically for not answering outside of working hours. Nothing stopping companies from firing you for not fitting company culture (the unspoken part being company culture is we all answer calls outside of work hours). Still a step forward because there will be some careless/incompetent companies that leave a paper trail indicating they fired you for this so you can sue and get paid.

627467 2y ago
So, hiding true intentions and needs is better? Why is regulation not to force companies to be clear that you may be expected to be flexible with your corp comunication before signing the contract?
- Vegenoid 2y ago
  > So, hiding true intentions and needs is better? No, it is illegal. Your proposed law would have the opposite effect of the law that passed: every company would include this in their employment contract and would have legal protections to make employees work overtime. In addition, there are exceptions: > To cater for emergencies and jobs with irregular hours, the rule still allows employers to contact their workers, who can only refuse to respond where it is reasonable to do so. Determining whether a refusal is reasonable will be up to Australia's industrial umpire, the Fair Work Commission (FWC), which must take into account an employee's role, personal circumstances and how and why the contact was made.
  - 627467 2y ago
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    - wredue 2y ago
      It never ceases to amaze me that people argue against things that are good for them. You remain free to answer calls after hours. You simply cannot be fired or reprimanded for not being at your employers beck and call after hours *if you choose not to be*. Even in situations where after hours calls require pay to immediately start, you remain free to negotiate with your employer how that works. If anything, creating such regulation *increases your freedoms*.