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>I'm not convinced that GrapheneOS does a lot more than LineageOS isn't already doing for me in the privacy aspect GrapheneOS has has many more feature that AO

>I'm not convinced that GrapheneOS does a lot more than LineageOS isn't already doing for me in the privacy aspect GrapheneOS has has many more feature that AOSP/LineageOS lack (https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features) and also 0 google connections unlike LineageOS (https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections) >some of graphene's touted features are geared towards being able to use google's services and they are 100% optional and opt-in by default

kenmacd 2y ago
I have to agree with mid-kid here. GrapheneOS is great for security, but some of that ends up directly in conflict with privacy. For example years ago I opened an issue around runtime-patching applications (https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/284 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/284) and was told it didn't make sense in the OS. Putting aside the validity of arguments on either side of that issue, runtime patching allows me to very quickly excise large swaths of anti-privacy code across every app on my phone. If I was to switch to GrapheneOS I'd have to accept that I'd be giving up a fair amount of privacy for the added security.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  the "private" way to remove ads and spyware from apps is not using them or revoking android.permission.INTERNET permission which GrapheneOS offers. not playing cat and mouse with the illusion of privacy.
1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
"... and also 0 google connections unlike LineageOS" How about GrapheneOS connections? Zero or non-zero?
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  if you are trying to be snarky at least do the bare minimum research https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections "By default, GrapheneOS only makes remote connections to GrapheneOS services and the network provided DNS resolvers. There aren't any analytics/telemetry in GrapheneOS. The only information revealed to the GrapheneOS servers are the generic device model (such as Pixel 7 Pro) and OS version which are necessary for obtaining updates. The default connections provide the OS and apps with updates, set the system clock, check each network connection for internet connectivity, download a global database (does not vary based on location) with predicted satellite locations when using Location and obtain attestation chain signing keys for the hardware keystore needed for the hardware-based attestation feature."

kenmacd 2y ago

I have to agree with mid-kid here. GrapheneOS is great for security, but some of that ends up directly in conflict with privacy. For example years ago I opened an issue around runtime-patching applications (https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/284 https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues/284) and was told it didn't make sense in the OS. Putting aside the validity of arguments on either side of that issue, runtime patching allows me to very quickly excise large swaths of anti-privacy code across every app on my phone. If I was to switch to GrapheneOS I'd have to accept that I'd be giving up a fair amount of privacy for the added security.

akimbostrawman 2y ago
the "private" way to remove ads and spyware from apps is not using them or revoking android.permission.INTERNET permission which GrapheneOS offers. not playing cat and mouse with the illusion of privacy.

1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago

"... and also 0 google connections unlike LineageOS" How about GrapheneOS connections? Zero or non-zero?

akimbostrawman 2y ago
if you are trying to be snarky at least do the bare minimum research https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections "By default, GrapheneOS only makes remote connections to GrapheneOS services and the network provided DNS resolvers. There aren't any analytics/telemetry in GrapheneOS. The only information revealed to the GrapheneOS servers are the generic device model (such as Pixel 7 Pro) and OS version which are necessary for obtaining updates. The default connections provide the OS and apps with updates, set the system clock, check each network connection for internet connectivity, download a global database (does not vary based on location) with predicted satellite locations when using Location and obtain attestation chain signing keys for the hardware keystore needed for the hardware-based attestation feature."