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I've given up on Lineage, mostly because updates are a pain. Switched to GrapheneOS and am pretty happy so far. I think their approach of sandboxing the Google-

by elric 2y ago

I've given up on Lineage, mostly because updates are a pain. Switched to GrapheneOS and am pretty happy so far. I think their approach of sandboxing the Google-foo is pretty sensible, as it strikes a balance between usability and privacy. It's a shame that the mobile phone market is such a complete and utter shitshow. Can't root your device because a boatload of apps will stop working. Can't have an unlocked bootloader because other apps will stop working. You effectively have a choice between two walled gardens (and never the twain shall meet!), with varying degrees of privacy violations. How did we let it come to this? For a brief moment we had the glorious N900 and Maemo ecosystem, but that's all gone now. Open phones seem impossible now.

ductsurprise 2y ago
Maemo really was impressive, and to think how far it could be with more than a decade development and refinements had Nokia managed keep that team on it. Sailfish OS still seems to be going, and latest and installable on Sony Xperia 10 V. Though that is based on Meego which was what replaced Maemo and ended up on the Nokia N9 and was no longer Debian based IIRC. Tizen OS was the other offshoot of Meego and Samsung was working with it, but they appear be abandoning it. I never had the chance to pick up a compatible device try them out.
- elric 2y ago
  Nokia was able to keep the team, AFAIR Nokia kicked them out (and Nvidia hired a bunch of them). I tried Sailfish for a while, but it got progressively slower and I vaguely remember some weird Russian involvement?
keyringlight 2y ago
I see platforms becoming less fruitful to tinkering as a characteristic of them maturing, especially when a commercial side is linked either by whoever 'owns' the platform or companies that make use of it. Tinkerers are great for pathfinding the platform and a certain amount of evangelism among early adopters, but when the platform is established among the mass market it seems lockdown is inevitable.
burnerthrow008 2y ago
> It's a shame that the mobile phone market is such a complete and utter shitshow. Can't root your device because a boatload of apps will stop working. Can't have an unlocked bootloader because other apps will stop working. Sure, but it's perfectly understandable. Look at it from the other side: When the majority of your fraud comes from rooted devices and a tiny minority of your users have rooted devices... why would you not ban rooted devices?
- elric 2y ago
  The majority of fraud comes from rooted devices? Citation needed. I suspect the majority of fraud comes from users doing silly things without paying attention, like wiring that money the CEO asked them over text. Or from running hopelessly insecure devices which aren't actively receiving security updates.
wkat4242 2y ago
Updates a pain? They work really well for me. The only thing is having to run an adb command once a year for a major upgrade but it's really well documented and a 5 minute job. Once a year..

by elric 2y ago

ductsurprise 2y ago

Maemo really was impressive, and to think how far it could be with more than a decade development and refinements had Nokia managed keep that team on it. Sailfish OS still seems to be going, and latest and installable on Sony Xperia 10 V. Though that is based on Meego which was what replaced Maemo and ended up on the Nokia N9 and was no longer Debian based IIRC. Tizen OS was the other offshoot of Meego and Samsung was working with it, but they appear be abandoning it. I never had the chance to pick up a compatible device try them out.

elric 2y ago
Nokia was able to keep the team, AFAIR Nokia kicked them out (and Nvidia hired a bunch of them). I tried Sailfish for a while, but it got progressively slower and I vaguely remember some weird Russian involvement?

keyringlight 2y ago

I see platforms becoming less fruitful to tinkering as a characteristic of them maturing, especially when a commercial side is linked either by whoever 'owns' the platform or companies that make use of it. Tinkerers are great for pathfinding the platform and a certain amount of evangelism among early adopters, but when the platform is established among the mass market it seems lockdown is inevitable.

burnerthrow008 2y ago

> It's a shame that the mobile phone market is such a complete and utter shitshow. Can't root your device because a boatload of apps will stop working. Can't have an unlocked bootloader because other apps will stop working. Sure, but it's perfectly understandable. Look at it from the other side: When the majority of your fraud comes from rooted devices and a tiny minority of your users have rooted devices... why would you not ban rooted devices?

elric 2y ago
The majority of fraud comes from rooted devices? Citation needed. I suspect the majority of fraud comes from users doing silly things without paying attention, like wiring that money the CEO asked them over text. Or from running hopelessly insecure devices which aren't actively receiving security updates.

wkat4242 2y ago

Updates a pain? They work really well for me. The only thing is having to run an adb command once a year for a major upgrade but it's really well documented and a 5 minute job. Once a year..