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No, you see US-headquartered multinationals have a God-given right to freedom, including the freedom to smuggle customer data overseas. God bless America.

djaouen 2y ago
If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)
- niek_pas 2y ago
  \s, I hope? Not using US-made products is basically impossible in the modern world.
  - endisneigh 2y ago
    It’s really not. It’s just inconvenient.
  - djaouen 2y ago
    Open source is (usually) free. I’m just saying, if they really wanted to, other countries could build their own shit. They just don’t. :)
    - hasanhaja 2y ago
      The following example isn't a tech product, but it demonstrates the outrageous anticompetitive practices some of these monopolies engage in to suffocate people who are just building their own shit: Chokepoint Capitalism with Cory Doctorow - FACTUALLY Podcast: https://youtu.be/vluAOGJPPoM?si=zuezwnlUHhuoQFNt&t=2668 https://youtu.be/vluAOGJPPoM?si=zuezwnlUHhuoQFNt&t=2668
  - morbicer 2y ago
    There's Bolt where I am from, they are an Estonian company and have better and cheaper services than Uber.
    - niek_pas 2y ago
      Fair point; I should have clarified I wasn't really talking about Uber, specifically, but about American products (e.g. Windows and MacOS) in general :)
- morbicer 2y ago
  This is not how European market operates. As a consumer, I can't visit every factory to check if the pasta isn't tainted with lead, if the chicken meat isn't full of antibiotics and hormones and if the webapp I am using isn't selling my data. We have market regulations for reasons. Companies that won't comply should be punished and if it's a repeatable offence they should lose a license to operate in EU.
- irdc 2y ago
  After you stop using China-made products (https://www.foxconn.com/en-us https://www.foxconn.com/en-us) made using Taiwan-made products (https://www.tsmc.com/english https://www.tsmc.com/english) made using Dutch-made products (https://www.asml.com/en https://www.asml.com/en).
- hasanhaja 2y ago
  I urge you to read "Technofeudalism" by Yanis Varoufakis or "The Internet Con" by Cory Doctorow to appreciate why this is extremely difficult for consumers and entrepreneurs, and not just an inconvenience.
- LadyCailin 2y ago
  Or, how about, if US companies don’t like EU regulations, don’t make money from EU residents. :)

djaouen 2y ago

If you don’t like it, stop using US-made products. :)

niek_pas 2y ago
\s, I hope? Not using US-made products is basically impossible in the modern world.
- endisneigh 2y ago
  It’s really not. It’s just inconvenient.
- djaouen 2y ago
  Open source is (usually) free. I’m just saying, if they really wanted to, other countries could build their own shit. They just don’t. :)
  - hasanhaja 2y ago
    The following example isn't a tech product, but it demonstrates the outrageous anticompetitive practices some of these monopolies engage in to suffocate people who are just building their own shit: Chokepoint Capitalism with Cory Doctorow - FACTUALLY Podcast: https://youtu.be/vluAOGJPPoM?si=zuezwnlUHhuoQFNt&t=2668 https://youtu.be/vluAOGJPPoM?si=zuezwnlUHhuoQFNt&t=2668
- morbicer 2y ago
  There's Bolt where I am from, they are an Estonian company and have better and cheaper services than Uber.
  - niek_pas 2y ago
    Fair point; I should have clarified I wasn't really talking about Uber, specifically, but about American products (e.g. Windows and MacOS) in general :)
morbicer 2y ago
This is not how European market operates. As a consumer, I can't visit every factory to check if the pasta isn't tainted with lead, if the chicken meat isn't full of antibiotics and hormones and if the webapp I am using isn't selling my data. We have market regulations for reasons. Companies that won't comply should be punished and if it's a repeatable offence they should lose a license to operate in EU.
irdc 2y ago
After you stop using China-made products (https://www.foxconn.com/en-us https://www.foxconn.com/en-us) made using Taiwan-made products (https://www.tsmc.com/english https://www.tsmc.com/english) made using Dutch-made products (https://www.asml.com/en https://www.asml.com/en).
hasanhaja 2y ago
I urge you to read "Technofeudalism" by Yanis Varoufakis or "The Internet Con" by Cory Doctorow to appreciate why this is extremely difficult for consumers and entrepreneurs, and not just an inconvenience.
LadyCailin 2y ago
Or, how about, if US companies don’t like EU regulations, don’t make money from EU residents. :)