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Does the manager also get weekend-rate overtime if she sends out e-mails on the weekend? I mean, she _is_ working! Sounds like an incentive mismatch here. Or is

Does the manager also get weekend-rate overtime if she sends out e-mails on the weekend? I mean, she _is_ working! Sounds like an incentive mismatch here. Or is this just a protection of workers on a tariff and does not cover "exempt" employees, ie. most IT people.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago
Weekend work etc. needs to be approved by a person's manager, so weekend-work without approval would in practice not be compensated (it's possible that technically they should compensate it then fire you for insubordination). The hurdles for "exempt" are way higher than in the US. I doubt it is actually done much in practice, although an employee who wants to be left alone on the weekend certainly could. I would also expect that guidance of "don't read your e-mail outside of working hours" would be sufficient to be able to send e-mail to employees at any day or hour without triggering overtime etc.
- technothrasher 2y ago
  > I would also expect that guidance of "don't read your e-mail outside of working hours" would be sufficient to be able to send e-mail to employees at any day or hour I sometimes want to send my employees emails over the weekend as I think of something and don't want to forget. But there are certain employees that I know will immediately act on the email, which I actually don't want. So I end up emailing myself and then forwarding them the email on Monday morning.
  - IanCal 2y ago
    Does your client not support delaying emails? Gmail has schedule send for example.
  - latexr 2y ago
    > So I end up emailing myself and then forwarding them the email on Monday morning. Certain clients (like Apple’s email app) allow you to schedule emails to be automatically sent at a later date.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    > I think of something and don't want to forget. This is a you problem. Fix the forgetting part, you are management that's literally your job. Leave a post it somewhere, start keeping a checklist, whatever. Stop making it your employees' problem.
    - LunaSea 2y ago
      It's the employee's fault for reading work email during weekends, not the managers.
    - rbits 2y ago
      He did fix the forgetting part, that's what sending an email to himself was for
graphenus 2y ago
Upper management does not need to log working hours and can work unpaid overtime. So, they can easily exchange emails on weekends. But when they involve a regular employee, who has to reach working hours, then it's overtime.
red_admiral 2y ago
You are only exempt if you make at least 125k a year. Below that, you MUST log all your hours, IT or not.

tgsovlerkhgsel 2y ago

Weekend work etc. needs to be approved by a person's manager, so weekend-work without approval would in practice not be compensated (it's possible that technically they should compensate it then fire you for insubordination). The hurdles for "exempt" are way higher than in the US. I doubt it is actually done much in practice, although an employee who wants to be left alone on the weekend certainly could. I would also expect that guidance of "don't read your e-mail outside of working hours" would be sufficient to be able to send e-mail to employees at any day or hour without triggering overtime etc.

technothrasher 2y ago
> I would also expect that guidance of "don't read your e-mail outside of working hours" would be sufficient to be able to send e-mail to employees at any day or hour I sometimes want to send my employees emails over the weekend as I think of something and don't want to forget. But there are certain employees that I know will immediately act on the email, which I actually don't want. So I end up emailing myself and then forwarding them the email on Monday morning.
- IanCal 2y ago
  Does your client not support delaying emails? Gmail has schedule send for example.
- latexr 2y ago
  > So I end up emailing myself and then forwarding them the email on Monday morning. Certain clients (like Apple’s email app) allow you to schedule emails to be automatically sent at a later date.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  > I think of something and don't want to forget. This is a you problem. Fix the forgetting part, you are management that's literally your job. Leave a post it somewhere, start keeping a checklist, whatever. Stop making it your employees' problem.
  - LunaSea 2y ago
    It's the employee's fault for reading work email during weekends, not the managers.
  - rbits 2y ago
    He did fix the forgetting part, that's what sending an email to himself was for

graphenus 2y ago

Upper management does not need to log working hours and can work unpaid overtime. So, they can easily exchange emails on weekends. But when they involve a regular employee, who has to reach working hours, then it's overtime.

red_admiral 2y ago

You are only exempt if you make at least 125k a year. Below that, you MUST log all your hours, IT or not.