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Oh, I must have missed this. Please tell me how to enable secret chats for groups. And my desktop chats. Also I'd like to turn on the setting for defaulting to

by maqp 2y ago

Oh, I must have missed this. Please tell me how to enable secret chats for groups. And my desktop chats. Also I'd like to turn on the setting for defaulting to secret chats whenever I open a new one. Oh? I can't. Sounds like it's not there if I want it, after all. Good thing they didn't force it to me though /s

wruza 2y ago
You can’t have secret chats for groups. For desktop secret chats you may use Unigram client (although it’s hard for me to justify a potentially non-mobile secret chat). The rest is trivial and isn’t that hard unless you contact hundreds of new people a day. In that case, I’d already thought of using ahk automation or a full-blown telethon bot.
- maqp 2y ago
  Sounds like I should stick to Signal that got this right from the get-go.
  - guappa 2y ago
    apt install signal Error: Unable to find the package signal
    - maqp 2y ago
      $ sudo apt install telegram Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package telegram Also $ sudo apt install signal-desktop-beta [sudo] password for : Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done signal-desktop-beta is already the newest version (7.22.0~beta.1). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. So, yeah.
      - guappa 2y ago
        It's called telegram-desktop -_-' > apt install signal-desktop-beta Very nice. Too bad it doesn't exist. Making up package names doesn't magically bring them into existence. So, yeah.
        maqp 2y ago
        Beta version: # 1. Install our official public software signing key wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | gpg --dearmor > signal-desktop-keyring.gpg cat signal-desktop-keyring.gpg | sudo tee -a /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg > /dev/null # 2. Add our repository to your list of repositories echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\ sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list # 3. Update your package database and install signal sudo apt update && sudo apt install signal-desktop-beta https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007318471-Signal-Beta https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007318471-Si... Non-beta version: # NOTE: These instructions only work for 64-bit Debian-based # Linux distributions such as Ubuntu, Mint etc. # 1. Install our official public software signing key: wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | gpg --dearmor > signal-desktop-keyring.gpg cat signal-desktop-keyring.gpg | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg > /dev/null # 2. Add our repository to your list of repositories: echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\ sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list # 3. Update your package database and install Signal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install signal-desktop https://signal.org/download/ https://signal.org/download/
        guappa 2y ago
        Do you not see any difference with this and "it's included in the distribution and vetted by a distribution developer"?
        2y ago
tpoacher 2y ago
I mean, if you want secret group chats, you should probably use Signal. I don't see how this is a "Telegram problem", or how this relates to the macdonalds analogy. Telegram serves one set of goals, Signal serves another. E.g. I would not trust Signal to remember that recipe photo a friend posted from their old phone last year in my group chat, or for the wedding photos they shared in the 'wedding' group to survive when I want to make an album for their on their 10 year anniversary. But I would 100% trust Telegram for this. Specifically because I know Telegram is not an encrypted communications service but a social platform, and that group chats are stored unencrypted on a server. Which is literally what I want. Just because it also happens to separately offer encryption functionality for 1on1 chats doesn't mean it needs the whole security shebang (which necessarily has consequences on other functions that people already use and rely on). It's like I said "macdonalds does indeed have salads" and you reply "Great I'll go to macdonalds and ask for soylent green OH WAIT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, HUR HUR HUR". Well, no, it's true, they don't. If you want soylent green go somewhere else. Specifically don't go to macdonalds and have a tantrum.

by maqp 2y ago

wruza 2y ago

You can’t have secret chats for groups. For desktop secret chats you may use Unigram client (although it’s hard for me to justify a potentially non-mobile secret chat). The rest is trivial and isn’t that hard unless you contact hundreds of new people a day. In that case, I’d already thought of using ahk automation or a full-blown telethon bot.

maqp 2y ago
Sounds like I should stick to Signal that got this right from the get-go.
- guappa 2y ago
  apt install signal Error: Unable to find the package signal
  - maqp 2y ago
    $ sudo apt install telegram Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package telegram Also $ sudo apt install signal-desktop-beta [sudo] password for : Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done signal-desktop-beta is already the newest version (7.22.0~beta.1). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. So, yeah.
    - guappa 2y ago
      It's called telegram-desktop -_-' > apt install signal-desktop-beta Very nice. Too bad it doesn't exist. Making up package names doesn't magically bring them into existence. So, yeah.
      - maqp 2y ago
        Beta version: # 1. Install our official public software signing key wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | gpg --dearmor > signal-desktop-keyring.gpg cat signal-desktop-keyring.gpg | sudo tee -a /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg > /dev/null # 2. Add our repository to your list of repositories echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\ sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list # 3. Update your package database and install signal sudo apt update && sudo apt install signal-desktop-beta https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007318471-Signal-Beta https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007318471-Si... Non-beta version: # NOTE: These instructions only work for 64-bit Debian-based # Linux distributions such as Ubuntu, Mint etc. # 1. Install our official public software signing key: wget -O- https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt/keys.asc | gpg --dearmor > signal-desktop-keyring.gpg cat signal-desktop-keyring.gpg | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg > /dev/null # 2. Add our repository to your list of repositories: echo 'deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/signal-desktop-keyring.gpg] https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt https://updates.signal.org/desktop/apt xenial main' |\ sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/signal-xenial.list # 3. Update your package database and install Signal: sudo apt update && sudo apt install signal-desktop https://signal.org/download/ https://signal.org/download/
        guappa 2y ago
        Do you not see any difference with this and "it's included in the distribution and vetted by a distribution developer"?
        2y ago

tpoacher 2y ago

I mean, if you want secret group chats, you should probably use Signal. I don't see how this is a "Telegram problem", or how this relates to the macdonalds analogy. Telegram serves one set of goals, Signal serves another. E.g. I would not trust Signal to remember that recipe photo a friend posted from their old phone last year in my group chat, or for the wedding photos they shared in the 'wedding' group to survive when I want to make an album for their on their 10 year anniversary. But I would 100% trust Telegram for this. Specifically because I know Telegram is not an encrypted communications service but a social platform, and that group chats are stored unencrypted on a server. Which is literally what I want. Just because it also happens to separately offer encryption functionality for 1on1 chats doesn't mean it needs the whole security shebang (which necessarily has consequences on other functions that people already use and rely on). It's like I said "macdonalds does indeed have salads" and you reply "Great I'll go to macdonalds and ask for soylent green OH WAIT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, HUR HUR HUR". Well, no, it's true, they don't. If you want soylent green go somewhere else. Specifically don't go to macdonalds and have a tantrum.