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Actually I was wrong. Just checked and Telegram does require a phone number to sign up. I haven't used it myself much, but was relaying the general reasons why

by as1mov 2y ago

Actually I was wrong. Just checked and Telegram does require a phone number to sign up. I haven't used it myself much, but was relaying the general reasons why regular people use it.

theshrike79 2y ago
You need it to register, but afaik it's not shown to anyone in any way. You can just grab any prepaid SIM and use it if that's your style
- glitchc 2y ago
  Yeah but the server can correlate it to all messages sent by you, and law enforcement can link server logs to your real identity thrpugh your telco.
  - wruza 2y ago
    Those who need to dissociate with a number have anonymous sim cards in abundance. Costs around $2-5 a piece when ordered in bulk. That said, such high-tech operation is just a geeks fantasy about spies. When you cross the line where it becomes reality, you’re either a very big name with a sudden drug/rape history or a subject for waterboarding which is the most effective cryptoanalysis tool invented.
    - glitchc 2y ago
      While this is a well-trodden stereotype, and it certainly has merit, not all crimes are Snowden-level crimes against the state. Felonies such as embezzlement, fraud and trafficking are often investigated by exposing the digital trail. Law enforcement most definitely do pull those records with a subpoena. It's often one of the first things done (pull all banking and phone records) and is often a key ingredient in a successful conviction. Yes, burner sims definitely help evade investigations, but they are harder to get nowadays, depending on jurisdiction. For instance you can't pay cash for a SIM in North America. It has to be a credit card or a bank transfer and that's a form of ID.
      - yard2010 2y ago
        If I'm not mistaken you can buy a special 888 number which works only for telegram from telegram
        glitchc 2y ago
        Ah that's interesting, I did not know this. Maybe this is why authorities are all up in a tizzy over it. Because it can't be their platform security, which is largely theatre.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Yep but you still need to have it staying activated and on whenever you need to activate the telegram app on a device. I was using telegram for one single usage, which was a group organizing local meetups events for expats. When I switched smartphone I really didn't want to install an app just for one group and would have preferred using telegram web to consult it occasionnally. Every time I tried logging in on a computer/smartphone it told me to validate the login from telegram on my original, now wiped clean, smartphone. I just gave up.
- 0xEF 2y ago
  > You need it to register, but afaik it's not shown to anyone in any way. Then why is a phone number needed to register? If PII is "not shown to anyone in any way" then it should be completely unecessary to provide it to the service. Do not let that particular wool be pulled over your eyes.

by as1mov 2y ago

Actually I was wrong. Just checked and Telegram does require a phone number to sign up. I haven't used it myself much, but was relaying the general reasons why regular people use it.

theshrike79 2y ago

You need it to register, but afaik it's not shown to anyone in any way. You can just grab any prepaid SIM and use it if that's your style

glitchc 2y ago
Yeah but the server can correlate it to all messages sent by you, and law enforcement can link server logs to your real identity thrpugh your telco.
- wruza 2y ago
  Those who need to dissociate with a number have anonymous sim cards in abundance. Costs around $2-5 a piece when ordered in bulk. That said, such high-tech operation is just a geeks fantasy about spies. When you cross the line where it becomes reality, you’re either a very big name with a sudden drug/rape history or a subject for waterboarding which is the most effective cryptoanalysis tool invented.
  - glitchc 2y ago
    While this is a well-trodden stereotype, and it certainly has merit, not all crimes are Snowden-level crimes against the state. Felonies such as embezzlement, fraud and trafficking are often investigated by exposing the digital trail. Law enforcement most definitely do pull those records with a subpoena. It's often one of the first things done (pull all banking and phone records) and is often a key ingredient in a successful conviction. Yes, burner sims definitely help evade investigations, but they are harder to get nowadays, depending on jurisdiction. For instance you can't pay cash for a SIM in North America. It has to be a credit card or a bank transfer and that's a form of ID.
    - yard2010 2y ago
      If I'm not mistaken you can buy a special 888 number which works only for telegram from telegram
      - glitchc 2y ago
        Ah that's interesting, I did not know this. Maybe this is why authorities are all up in a tizzy over it. Because it can't be their platform security, which is largely theatre.
prmoustache 2y ago
Yep but you still need to have it staying activated and on whenever you need to activate the telegram app on a device. I was using telegram for one single usage, which was a group organizing local meetups events for expats. When I switched smartphone I really didn't want to install an app just for one group and would have preferred using telegram web to consult it occasionnally. Every time I tried logging in on a computer/smartphone it told me to validate the login from telegram on my original, now wiped clean, smartphone. I just gave up.
0xEF 2y ago
> You need it to register, but afaik it's not shown to anyone in any way. Then why is a phone number needed to register? If PII is "not shown to anyone in any way" then it should be completely unecessary to provide it to the service. Do not let that particular wool be pulled over your eyes.