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The comment you're responding to is in the context of whether a government issued ID should be required _because that would cut down voter fraud_. Additionally,
by voiper1 2y ago
The comment you're responding to is in the context of whether a government issued ID should be required _because that would cut down voter fraud_. Additionally, the context is that's it's being pushed by Republicans - that it would prevent Democrat voter fraud.
1 - Texas: Crystal Mason. Her conviction overturned. So, this is a bad case to quote. And, ID was irrelevant here. She wasn't pretending to be someone else.
2- North Carolina: Leslie McCrae Dowless. He's Republican committing voter fraud. Also, Dowless was charged with multiple counts related to illegal ballot handling - seemingly not something Voter ID would have helped with.
3- Pennsylvania: 2020 - via https://www.ydr.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2022/08/23/voter-fraud-is-rare-in-pennsylvania-but-allegations-flew-after-2020/65376026007/ https://www.ydr.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2022/08...
a) Bruce Bartman... serving five years on probation after he illegally voted for Trump
b) Melissa Ann Fisher of Bucks County recently was sentenced ... signed a mail ballot for her deceased mother: mail in issue AND public deaths should be remove you from the voting rolls. Not directly a voter ID issue.
c) Ralph Holloway Thurman of Chester County pleaded guilty... is a Republican
d) Robert Richard Lynn of Luzerne County pleaded guilty last year to completing an absentee ballot application and signing his deceased mother's name... Also absentee for deceased.
I'm not going to continue looking them up. Maryland is about voting in two states, so voter ID won't help that either. More about absentee ballots and more about absentee on behalf of deceased individuals. Voter ID on in-person voting is irrelevant to those cases.
It's republicans comitting fraud or cases where Voter ID won't directly help.
That's part of that comment's point.
- ladzoppelin 2y agoWhat country allows voting with out ID, can people traveling also vote? There is no logical reason to not require ID, this is not really a party issue.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoThere are multiple comments in this thread explaining why it is a very real issue. It is a party issue because one party relies on de facto voter suppression to win.
- wakawaka28 2y agoEach party has its own reasons to prefer one policy or the other. But admit it. We should not let people vote without ID because it makes fraud possible. Why doesn't the anti-ID party say instead that they agree with fighting fraud and they want to ensure that people can easily get an ID if they are legitimate? I think we can infer that their fighting basic ID requirements is evidence of their proclivity for fraud. Imagine saying the same thing about license plates lol. "We want to provide economic opportunity for people disenfranchised by the bureaucracy of the DMV!" But do you want to live in a world where unregistered/uninsured cars on the road are acceptable? The same applies to voting without ID. Getting an ID is one of the simplest things an adult can do, and modern life de facto requires having one.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoDriving is a privilege, voting is a right. You need to do some reading and reflection before commenting.
- anonymous14382 2y agoNo, voting in the US is a right for US citizens only. I think you need to do some reflection yourself on why you think fraud or perception of fraud is not important. It seems like there are ways to solve these problems without resorting to nonsense policies like "anyone can vote without id."
- CyberDildonics 2y agoVoters in the US are already registered and identified by mail to their address. Voter fraud instances are extremely low.