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This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't t
by echelon 2y ago
This is too funny.
What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism?
An American company would run circles around this mess.
- szszrk 2y agoThat's exactly what is going on nowadays, anyway. In Poland we have Chmura Krajowa (national cloud), aimed at public, non profit and finance companies. It's basically more controlled local Azure and GPC region.
- snowpid 2y agoIn Polish people don't use Cloud but Chmura?
- bartekpacia 2y agoIt depends. If we’re talking about e.g. GCP we use “cloud”, but Chmura Krajowa is a Polish product and it has a Polish name, so we use “chmura”. We basically use the original name in this context.
- snowpid 2y agoInteresting. In Germany government uses the word cloud . Not Wolke. TIL something new.
- szszrk 2y agoIt seems to me Germans in general like to use English phrases, but on the contrary from other European places I know, they like to use the original pronunciation and spelling. Us, Poles, like to make it sound like Polish, add our own declension and so on.
- szszrk 2y agoBoth, but chmura is a non-controvertial and easy translation.
- biztos 2y agoIn Hungarian the people I know use felhő and not cloud. I don’t know what they say in actual IT circles but to my ears “cloud” sounds very awkward if stuck in a Hungarian sentence. https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felh%C5%91alap%C3%BA_sz%C3%A1m%C3%ADt%C3%A1stechnika https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felh%C5%91alap%C3%BA_sz%C3%A1m...
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- progbits 2y agoGoogle is doing this. German and French companies are building a datacenter to GCP standards, will license the code and run essentially whitelabel GCP under full jurisdiction of the EU company. Google can only push updates with their approval and has no visibility into the operations. https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en https://cloud.google.com/t-systems-sovereign-cloud?hl=en
- vasco 2y agoIsn't this how all the hyperscalers already run in China?
- alephnerd 2y agoYes. Though they increasingly own management as well. At this point Azure in China and AWS in China is a reskin around Tencent Cloud.
- trevyn 2y agoThis is actually quite funny. A sovereign cloud that they have no f-ing clue how to maintain without the mothership.
- progbits 2y agoThey get documentation and playbooks (which are pretty good), source code access, and of course direct channel to the "mothership" engineers for support. I'm sure early days will be painful but there is no reason for this not to work.
- trevyn 2y agoSure, as long as the mothership exists and is cooperative, it’s fine. But that’s not actually very sovereign, is it?
- haukem 2y agoDeutsche Telekom hosted Microsoft Office 365 for some years in Germany as a German cloud offering. I think this was the press release: https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail/startschuss-fuer-vertrieb-der-microsoft-cloud-deutschland-487992 https://www.telekom.com/de/medien/medieninformationen/detail... This was a Microsoft 365 cloud hosted and operated by Deutsche Telekom in Germany. It was more expensive than the global version and had less features. It often took some years till new features were introduced. They stopped this offering some years ago, I think they did not get as many customers as they expected, most of the German customers used the global version.
- mns 2y agoOpen Telekom Cloud is a whitelabeled AWS, so they are still doing this, but with other technologies.
- haukem 2y agoThis press release from 2020 says Open Telekom Cloud is from Software and Hardware from Huawei. https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sichere-cloud-made-in-europe https://www.open-telekom-cloud.com/de/blog/vorteile/die-sich... Do you have any source that they switched to AWS?
- cyberpunk 2y agoI’ve used it, it’s a rebranded openstack, not aws.
- cyberax 2y ago> What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Nothing. Amazon already does that in China, their subsidiary licenses the tech and support services from the US company.
- mr_toad 2y agoThey might if there was a market for it. But who wants to pay a premium to be free of US influence? America hasn’t gone full-on Gilead yet.
- BlueTemplar 2y ago"Gilead" ?
- defrost 2y agoRepublic of Gilead - fictional future fundamentalist theocracy version of the USofA https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_of_Gilead_(Novel) https://the-handmaids-tale.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_of_Gilea...
- ahoka 2y agoUnfortunately, every democracy is one election away from Gilead.
- donavanm 2y agoThe americans are already on this path https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-european-sovereign-cloud/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-european-s....
- PeterStuer 2y agoOr just plain old buy out any EU company that threathens to become successful with free reserve currency monopoly money.
- District5524 2y agoMaybe you are misunderstanding the gravity of this problem. Thanks to US Cloud Act and the Patriot Act and similar acts, there is no way any US citizen or any US company may EVER be involved in such projects. It's completely legal for the US to rely on extraterritorial jurisdiction leveraging any US companies and US citizens they have access to. But on the other hand, everyone else on out there will want to avoid that, so the only way to achieve that is to avoid involving any US citizens or companies for such sovereign projects. Google will not be able to solve it via subsidiaries, and no nice promises from Amazon, MS etc. will ever change it. Data sovereignity means all this. This will probably escalate a lot more, it might involve the financial infrastructure used (SWIFT) or even currency used in the process.
- scotty79 2y agoBut then they'd have to obey laws and pay taxes and who wants that.