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Your first statement is factually untrue. You could say it was initially forced into existence to generate the fuel for nuclear weapons but beyond that it's way
by snapplebobapple 2y ago
Your first statement is factually untrue. You could say it was initially forced into existence to generate the fuel for nuclear weapons but beyond that it's way more accurate to say it has spent the last ~50 years having the utter insanity of the regulatory body overridden by large subsidies with the last 30 or so of those years having people that don't like nuclear point at the subsidy and say nuclear is uncompetitive while ignoring the massive cost and uncertainty created by the nuclear regulator. There is no real free market here, most real innovation has been utterly destroyed by the regulator driving massive uncertainty into private investment by removing any certainty of the effectiveness of a company structure containing the cost liability of problems (this is not the same as liability flowing through to management/the board for obvious dereliction of duty, this is flow through happening automatically if you don't do every stupid thing the regulator comes up with, which is mostly unecessary and highly cost additive to your project).
This has stopped any sort of commodification of reactor construction and kept every project a bespoke, highly expensive, one off. Further, throwing solar panels everywhere ignores the total cost of solar because it ignores the large ancillaries cost having a non demand resource causes so it's incorrect to compare the two directly, you need to look at total cost including ancillary costs of grid connection (which is much closer, especially when looking at asian construction costs where the regulators are much less idiotic but still excessive and where production of these bespoke installations continued so skills of the labor force were maintained).
If we get the stupidity of the regulator out of the way we could have commodity built new generator designs with drastically cheaper total costs and eventually much better technology like molten salt that should be dramatically safer and that would be a fair comparison to solar, which has had the support to commodify and drive production cost into the ground over the last thirty years and is still questionably competitive when the total cost of running including ancillary costs is included against the worst version of nuclear (what we currently have). This is starting to become a national security concern because China is going hard on these newer, better technologies and they could end up owning the market on a decade or two timescale, which is a huge strategic issue since their main achilles heal right now is energy imports.
- pfdietz 2y agoThe idea that it's all the fault of "a regulatory body" doesn't explain the global failure of nuclear. It's run into problems everywhere, including in China. There is no global regulatory body.
- snapplebobapple 2y agoThat is not really true. Most regulators take what the us regulator is doing and copy paste with minor changes, or they have their own deranged nimbys pushing their own version of stupid (looking at you Germany). When you look at asia the problems are much less on the cost side but they are still doing the same stupid crap buying the same expensive western designs, they just implement co struction dramatically better. China specifically has other problems stemming from government co trol so its a tough market to pin blame to one specific group of things.
- pfdietz 2y agoOr, the regulations are similar because they are rational given the realities of nuclear energy. If you find yourself having to resort to conspiracy theories to explain away a consensus, you're well into crank territory.
- snapplebobapple 2y agoThat's a remarkably naive of history view. It's that way because the USA views nuclear as risk for proliferation of nuclear weapons and has very questionable foreign policy pushing regulation to follow local bad policy. Everything from the international atomic energy agency, many binding agreement from the u.s. department of state, etc. Pretty much none of the policy anywhere else has developed without the USA's heavy hand pushing bad policy ideas. America has bad ideas and pushes them onto most of the rest of the world stifling innovation in nuclear almost everywhere as part of the design of the policy, not due to any lack of merit in nuclear energy. Nuclear is where space travel was under the shuttle program. It needs someone willing to throw several billion at it to develop the technology to cut costs to a fraction of a percent of the current design but the regulation pushed by the USA on this is even worse than it was on space travel by a large margin so it's not happening.