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>Does it matter, no. I think the OP may be a bit strong in their language, but I think your quote borders on cult-of-personality. Can you name a business where

by bumby 2y ago

>Does it matter, no. I think the OP may be a bit strong in their language, but I think your quote borders on cult-of-personality. Can you name a business where delivering on promises does not matter? To take it back to the featured article, there's a lot to be said for Boeing not delivering on their contract (really just a legally binding promise) and how it caused all kinds of schedule and cost pressure. >"What did he do to hurt you?" Also, snarky replies go against HN guidelines. Please review them.

KoolKat23 2y ago
SpaceX have a contract with NASA where delivering on their promises matters. Despite what some in the general public would have you believe, the evidence to date is clearly they're currently the most capable at delivering, one only has to look to Falcon9 or Dragons record to date. What I don't get is when the public feels entitled to some forensically audited answer. Especially when the business in question is privately held. He's entitled to his view, I mean someone else asked for it, we're entitled to disagree, we know he is often over-optimistic on timelines but there's no need for people to get butthurt over it like many seem to do. Imagine every time some other influential person made a comment, people fervently came out specifically to comment "They're a liar because of x reason". He runs the company, we don't, he's our best insight into the business, we can adjust expectations accordingly. Sorry I removed the snarky comment.
- bumby 2y ago
  I think it depends on what is being audited. My issue with the Mars claim is that it really doesn’t pass the smell test for me. Practically any use case for Mars ignores a better mitigation on Earth. So it comes across to me as one of those exciting, but impractical options. And “exciting hype” is what I would characterize Musks MO in SpaceX, Tesla etc. So based on his previous overly hyped promises, my priors are now more suspect. But when it comes to taxpayer money, the public absolutely has a right to audit. You can see how this played out with both Boeing and SpaceX. They were given huge leeway early, and they were audited more when they showed evidence that maybe some of that extreme trust was misplaced.

by bumby 2y ago

KoolKat23 2y ago

SpaceX have a contract with NASA where delivering on their promises matters. Despite what some in the general public would have you believe, the evidence to date is clearly they're currently the most capable at delivering, one only has to look to Falcon9 or Dragons record to date. What I don't get is when the public feels entitled to some forensically audited answer. Especially when the business in question is privately held. He's entitled to his view, I mean someone else asked for it, we're entitled to disagree, we know he is often over-optimistic on timelines but there's no need for people to get butthurt over it like many seem to do. Imagine every time some other influential person made a comment, people fervently came out specifically to comment "They're a liar because of x reason". He runs the company, we don't, he's our best insight into the business, we can adjust expectations accordingly. Sorry I removed the snarky comment.

bumby 2y ago
I think it depends on what is being audited. My issue with the Mars claim is that it really doesn’t pass the smell test for me. Practically any use case for Mars ignores a better mitigation on Earth. So it comes across to me as one of those exciting, but impractical options. And “exciting hype” is what I would characterize Musks MO in SpaceX, Tesla etc. So based on his previous overly hyped promises, my priors are now more suspect. But when it comes to taxpayer money, the public absolutely has a right to audit. You can see how this played out with both Boeing and SpaceX. They were given huge leeway early, and they were audited more when they showed evidence that maybe some of that extreme trust was misplaced.