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>most land owners, elected officials, capable owners of organizations take meaningful or genuine good faith efforts to address open corruption in their spaces

by Ray20 2y ago

>most land owners, elected officials, capable owners of organizations take meaningful or genuine good faith efforts to address open corruption in their spaces And I am saying that zero percent of them do that. And somebody saying that Durov "take meaningful or genuine good faith efforts to address open corruption in their spaces". My point is that there is no way to verify the degree of "good faith genuinity", so we cant use that parameter in aspect of legal actions.

ben_w 2y ago
> My point is that there is no way to verify the degree of "good faith genuinity", so we cant use that parameter in aspect of legal actions. That's literally a thing that happens during trial, at least for certain crimes and legal systems. Can't speak to this specific case because (1) IANAL, and (2) my grasp of the French language is so bad that I can't even reliably say the French for "I don't speak French". https://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/criminal-defences/lack-intent https://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/criminal-defences/lack-i...
toofy 2y ago
> there is no way to verify the degree of "good faith genuinity", so we cant use that parameter in aspect of legal actions. of course there is… one of the reasons people justifiably bring up spam in these “my free speech” cases is because it shows definitively that the “free speech absolutists” don’t actually care about free speech—if they truly believed all speech is as valuable as all other speech then spam would have the same weight of priority as non-spam speech for them, yet they have no problem silencing spam. off the top of my head, we would consider their guard rails against spam and have they implemented those same guard rails against the things they’re being charged for? if not, then obviously they’re not making real attempts. of course there are multiple ways to determine whether they’ve made meaningful attempts. i think this is all moot though, if my understanding is correct, he’s resisted doing anything at all which is why he’s been charged. as i said in a different post though, it’s still muddy on the specifics, we’ll know more later—we’re just wildly guessing at this point.
- parineum 2y ago
  > if they truly believed all speech is as valuable as all other speech That's a strawman. They believe all speech should be held legally equal, not that's it's value is equal. It's that any speech has the potential to be extremely valuable to the person not responsible for regulating it.

by Ray20 2y ago

ben_w 2y ago

> My point is that there is no way to verify the degree of "good faith genuinity", so we cant use that parameter in aspect of legal actions. That's literally a thing that happens during trial, at least for certain crimes and legal systems. Can't speak to this specific case because (1) IANAL, and (2) my grasp of the French language is so bad that I can't even reliably say the French for "I don't speak French". https://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/criminal-defences/lack-intent https://www.criminal-lawyers.com.au/criminal-defences/lack-i...

toofy 2y ago

> there is no way to verify the degree of "good faith genuinity", so we cant use that parameter in aspect of legal actions. of course there is… one of the reasons people justifiably bring up spam in these “my free speech” cases is because it shows definitively that the “free speech absolutists” don’t actually care about free speech—if they truly believed all speech is as valuable as all other speech then spam would have the same weight of priority as non-spam speech for them, yet they have no problem silencing spam. off the top of my head, we would consider their guard rails against spam and have they implemented those same guard rails against the things they’re being charged for? if not, then obviously they’re not making real attempts. of course there are multiple ways to determine whether they’ve made meaningful attempts. i think this is all moot though, if my understanding is correct, he’s resisted doing anything at all which is why he’s been charged. as i said in a different post though, it’s still muddy on the specifics, we’ll know more later—we’re just wildly guessing at this point.

parineum 2y ago
> if they truly believed all speech is as valuable as all other speech That's a strawman. They believe all speech should be held legally equal, not that's it's value is equal. It's that any speech has the potential to be extremely valuable to the person not responsible for regulating it.