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> Prior to these laws consumers could delegate certain decisions to Apple. Afterwards, they can't. What can't they do?

roenxi 2y ago
They can't let Apple decide what web browser iPhones should default to, what apps are safe to install or a whole bunch of defaults. Article, 3rd sentence.
- xigoi 2y ago
  Is onything preventing Apple from introducing an optional “safe mode” that prevents you from installing apps not approved by Apple?
- Kbelicius 2y ago
  > They can't let Apple decide what web browser iPhones should default to User can still choose Safari. If they choose something else then we can't really say that they were ok with delegating that decision to Apple. > what apps are safe to install Users can still choose to only use apples app store. If they choose to install software any other way... well they clearly aren't ok with apples choices on what they can install. > whole bunch of defaults The user can still choose apple defaults. It seems that users can still delegate everything to apple.
  - roenxi 2y ago
    > User can still choose Safari. > It seems that users can still delegate everything to apple. I don't know what you're trying to do here, but as you might expect me to say... you have to pick one. You can't simultaneously claim that the user makes the choice and that they can delegate the choice. It is pretty obvious that EU users have to make the choice now - it is a regulatory requirement. They can't delegate it. A key part of delegating a choice is that you don't make it yourself. Apple's brand is pretty explicit that they make these choices for their users so that those users don't have to engage with things like what a web browser is - that is a big part of why the Apple users in my family went with Apple. Think of it like getting a chair that you have to assemble yourself vs preassembled. You end up with the same chair, but one path is more work for the customer.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > You can't simultaneously claim that the user makes the choice and that they can delegate the choice. The user can still delegate the choice, they can withdraw that delegation which is a new capability users now have. Being able to sell yourself to forever slavery is bad, but being able to temporarily sell your work is good.

They can't let Apple decide what web browser iPhones should default to, what apps are safe to install or a whole bunch of defaults. Article, 3rd sentence.

xigoi 2y ago
Is onything preventing Apple from introducing an optional “safe mode” that prevents you from installing apps not approved by Apple?
Kbelicius 2y ago
> They can't let Apple decide what web browser iPhones should default to User can still choose Safari. If they choose something else then we can't really say that they were ok with delegating that decision to Apple. > what apps are safe to install Users can still choose to only use apples app store. If they choose to install software any other way... well they clearly aren't ok with apples choices on what they can install. > whole bunch of defaults The user can still choose apple defaults. It seems that users can still delegate everything to apple.
- roenxi 2y ago
  > User can still choose Safari. > It seems that users can still delegate everything to apple. I don't know what you're trying to do here, but as you might expect me to say... you have to pick one. You can't simultaneously claim that the user makes the choice and that they can delegate the choice. It is pretty obvious that EU users have to make the choice now - it is a regulatory requirement. They can't delegate it. A key part of delegating a choice is that you don't make it yourself. Apple's brand is pretty explicit that they make these choices for their users so that those users don't have to engage with things like what a web browser is - that is a big part of why the Apple users in my family went with Apple. Think of it like getting a chair that you have to assemble yourself vs preassembled. You end up with the same chair, but one path is more work for the customer.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > You can't simultaneously claim that the user makes the choice and that they can delegate the choice. The user can still delegate the choice, they can withdraw that delegation which is a new capability users now have. Being able to sell yourself to forever slavery is bad, but being able to temporarily sell your work is good.