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>we’ve collectively decided it’s best to dumb down to a common denominator to make everyone feel included What are some examples of this?

tivert 2y ago
> What are some examples of this? Perhaps attempts to abolish gifted and talented programs in schools?
- drivebyhooting 2y ago
  And abolish algebra until high school.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  This is a fantastic comment because of how right you think you are, how utterly wrong you are in reality, and the context being the assertion that people don’t like to feel stupid. Thank you so much for this. In the metaphorical galaxy brain comic of this situation, “GATE programs fell out of fashion because of tall poppy syndrome” is the first or AT BEST the third frame. It’s the line of thinking held by the ‘uninformed self-described smart guy’ contingent, that knows nothing about education, yet think that they can intuit their way through it. It’s unrealistic, naive, and utterly condescending. It’s no surprise that I see it so much in tech people.
  - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
    I was pretty skeptical, which is why I asked for examples, but I’m not particularly up on this subject, so I was hoping you could explain why he’s wrong.
  - drivebyhooting 2y ago
    This comment was really hard to parse and understand. Are you an educator or pedagogy researcher? You certainly act as if you are.
sandspar 2y ago
? Examples abound e.g. high school taking four years when a moderately smart kid could cover all of it in a summer.
- cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
  Citation needed.
- consteval 2y ago
  You can't cover it all in a summer, you can only think you've covered it all in a summer. In reality, you have only a cursory overview of most topics so you fail when you go to college. I've seen this firsthand. Kids who think they're gifted and talented, and coast with B's through high school. Then college Calculus hits and they realize they don't actually know math or how to reason about it - they only know the surface level of the pieces and how to apply them in a test.

tivert 2y ago

> What are some examples of this? Perhaps attempts to abolish gifted and talented programs in schools?

drivebyhooting 2y ago
And abolish algebra until high school.
cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
This is a fantastic comment because of how right you think you are, how utterly wrong you are in reality, and the context being the assertion that people don’t like to feel stupid. Thank you so much for this. In the metaphorical galaxy brain comic of this situation, “GATE programs fell out of fashion because of tall poppy syndrome” is the first or AT BEST the third frame. It’s the line of thinking held by the ‘uninformed self-described smart guy’ contingent, that knows nothing about education, yet think that they can intuit their way through it. It’s unrealistic, naive, and utterly condescending. It’s no surprise that I see it so much in tech people.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  I was pretty skeptical, which is why I asked for examples, but I’m not particularly up on this subject, so I was hoping you could explain why he’s wrong.
- drivebyhooting 2y ago
  This comment was really hard to parse and understand. Are you an educator or pedagogy researcher? You certainly act as if you are.

sandspar 2y ago

? Examples abound e.g. high school taking four years when a moderately smart kid could cover all of it in a summer.

cqqxo4zV46cp 2y ago
Citation needed.
consteval 2y ago
You can't cover it all in a summer, you can only think you've covered it all in a summer. In reality, you have only a cursory overview of most topics so you fail when you go to college. I've seen this firsthand. Kids who think they're gifted and talented, and coast with B's through high school. Then college Calculus hits and they realize they don't actually know math or how to reason about it - they only know the surface level of the pieces and how to apply them in a test.