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CEO getting arrested does not mean telegram will go down. Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does ne

CEO getting arrested does not mean telegram will go down. Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does need to do anything. It's about lack of cooperation in censoring content.

Vegenoid 2y ago
> Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does need to do anything. I have no knowledge about this and make no assumptions about whether or not he is involved in any kind of financial misconduct - but there are many cases of very rich people doing risky and illegal things to further grow their wealth, despite already having more than enough money.
- dash2 2y ago
  Someone with $15bn is certainly going to take risks to get more, but running a pedo web ring does not offer that scale of money.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Exploration geophysics (large area mapping in search of resources) loses money hand over fist .. it's like sinking money into lottery tickets .. and yet billionaires routinely dabble in it and a few own companies that take on contract work, lose money and act as tax write offs for other parts of their business. It's about the contacts and the advance inside knowledge. Circling back to an alledged "pedo web ring" ala, say, Epstein .. the big pay off wouldn't be connected to "services" and charging access to view materials, the real money (if any was being made) would be in "blackmail" and "quid pro quo" investment infomation etc. Once a few whales are landed, say past and future POTUS candidates, C-Suites of mega tech companies, bankers, etc. what limit is there on making money from tips in exchange for keeping a few secrets? I have zero knowledge re: the Telegram founder and any of this, but history is littered with rumours of elite clubs, cosy finnancial arrangements and getting away with the breaking of convential rules. (eg: one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier)
which 2y ago
Telegram outright refuses to comply with any records requests not related to child abuse or terrorism, and even those they often delay and only release phone numbers and IP addresses. They have the data and basically use grand scale legal gamesmanship to avoid data requests. See https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/telegram-gibt-nutzerdaten-an-das-bundeskriminalamt-a-0e4d3fcb-8081-4b87-b062-db412bbc294b https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/telegram-gibt-nutzerdat... or even their own official policy https://telegram.org/privacy?setln=it#8-3-law-enforcement-authorities https://telegram.org/privacy?setln=it#8-3-law-enforcement-au.... If you actually have the data to turn over you can't do this legally. Durov's exile is also somewhat tenuous: https://tjournal.ru/tech/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://tjournal.ru/tech/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ This is sort of forgotten now but there was the time where they censored the Smart Voting bot. I don't think going after Durov personally is justified, and the charges should just be contempt of court if anything. But I don't trust him.

Vegenoid 2y ago

> Direct involvement with scams? You got to be kidding me. This guy is worth 15 billion USD, he does need to do anything. I have no knowledge about this and make no assumptions about whether or not he is involved in any kind of financial misconduct - but there are many cases of very rich people doing risky and illegal things to further grow their wealth, despite already having more than enough money.

dash2 2y ago
Someone with $15bn is certainly going to take risks to get more, but running a pedo web ring does not offer that scale of money.
- defrost 2y ago
  Exploration geophysics (large area mapping in search of resources) loses money hand over fist .. it's like sinking money into lottery tickets .. and yet billionaires routinely dabble in it and a few own companies that take on contract work, lose money and act as tax write offs for other parts of their business. It's about the contacts and the advance inside knowledge. Circling back to an alledged "pedo web ring" ala, say, Epstein .. the big pay off wouldn't be connected to "services" and charging access to view materials, the real money (if any was being made) would be in "blackmail" and "quid pro quo" investment infomation etc. Once a few whales are landed, say past and future POTUS candidates, C-Suites of mega tech companies, bankers, etc. what limit is there on making money from tips in exchange for keeping a few secrets? I have zero knowledge re: the Telegram founder and any of this, but history is littered with rumours of elite clubs, cosy finnancial arrangements and getting away with the breaking of convential rules. (eg: one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier)

which 2y ago

Telegram outright refuses to comply with any records requests not related to child abuse or terrorism, and even those they often delay and only release phone numbers and IP addresses. They have the data and basically use grand scale legal gamesmanship to avoid data requests. See https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/telegram-gibt-nutzerdaten-an-das-bundeskriminalamt-a-0e4d3fcb-8081-4b87-b062-db412bbc294b https://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/apps/telegram-gibt-nutzerdat... or even their own official policy https://telegram.org/privacy?setln=it#8-3-law-enforcement-authorities https://telegram.org/privacy?setln=it#8-3-law-enforcement-au.... If you actually have the data to turn over you can't do this legally. Durov's exile is also somewhat tenuous: https://tjournal.ru/tech/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://tjournal.ru/tech/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ This is sort of forgotten now but there was the time where they censored the Smart Voting bot. I don't think going after Durov personally is justified, and the charges should just be contempt of court if anything. But I don't trust him.