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Agreed. All I want is to manage OS windows the same way I manage Vim windows where the content and the container are decoupled. Surprised nobody has made this y

Agreed. All I want is to manage OS windows the same way I manage Vim windows where the content and the container are decoupled. Surprised nobody has made this yet.

ryukafalz 2y ago
Not that you likely want to hear this as a Vim user, but I believe this is how EXWM works. Windows are displayed inside Emacs buffers, which are pretty decoupled from the windows they happen to be in. (But heck, with evil-mode maybe it'd feel pretty familiar?)
- deagle50 2y ago
  No worries - I drove Doom for ~6 months and got fed up with the lag, and with Lisp. I have a wrapper for Yabai that places new windows into a predetermined number of containers and allows me to move them quickly. It works ok. I think Hyperland or i3/Sway could also be scripted to behave this way.
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago
  I tried exwm a couple times and the thing that got me everytime was that it was... ok... as a window manager... but actually made working with emacs as a text editor really uncomfortable. I'm talking keybindings overlap (or not), and buffer management generally. It got really confusing. (That and the single-threaded behaviour of emacs generally, freezing up etc)
jbaber 2y ago
Ratpoison does this if I'm understanding correctly.
enticeing 2y ago
musca is an X window manager that does something like this, where the tiling layout and windows are decoupled. github.com/enticeing/musca
jauntywundrkind 2y ago
One thing I do want to mention as a vim limitation, even with neovim & it's headless+client modes, there is still only a single screen. I'd love a neovim where I can have multiple separate clients connected to the same session, but each as a separate viewpoint (but shared list of buffers, shared registers, shared so much). Doesnt seem super applicable to window managers at the moment, but there being a singular screen does seem like a severe UI limitation.
- deagle50 2y ago
  I do miss emacs frames.
globular-toast 2y ago
I think Emacs works the same with frame/buffers. What I really like in Emacs is not having "tabs" or anything like that. I can always open any file on the filesystem, why do I care what it is open currently? Only at the moment I want to switch do I want to see a list, but I don't want to select it like some neanderthal, I want to narrow it down by typing. I wonder how well this would work for a WM, though. Processes are a lot heavier than buffers so it kind of does matter how many are running. Unless it's a system like Android where any app expects to be oom killed at any time.

Agreed. All I want is to manage OS windows the same way I manage Vim windows where the content and the container are decoupled. Surprised nobody has made this yet.

ryukafalz 2y ago

Not that you likely want to hear this as a Vim user, but I believe this is how EXWM works. Windows are displayed inside Emacs buffers, which are pretty decoupled from the windows they happen to be in. (But heck, with evil-mode maybe it'd feel pretty familiar?)

deagle50 2y ago
No worries - I drove Doom for ~6 months and got fed up with the lag, and with Lisp. I have a wrapper for Yabai that places new windows into a predetermined number of containers and allows me to move them quickly. It works ok. I think Hyperland or i3/Sway could also be scripted to behave this way.
cmrdporcupine 2y ago
I tried exwm a couple times and the thing that got me everytime was that it was... ok... as a window manager... but actually made working with emacs as a text editor really uncomfortable. I'm talking keybindings overlap (or not), and buffer management generally. It got really confusing. (That and the single-threaded behaviour of emacs generally, freezing up etc)

jbaber 2y ago

Ratpoison does this if I'm understanding correctly.

enticeing 2y ago

musca is an X window manager that does something like this, where the tiling layout and windows are decoupled. github.com/enticeing/musca

jauntywundrkind 2y ago

One thing I do want to mention as a vim limitation, even with neovim & it's headless+client modes, there is still only a single screen. I'd love a neovim where I can have multiple separate clients connected to the same session, but each as a separate viewpoint (but shared list of buffers, shared registers, shared so much). Doesnt seem super applicable to window managers at the moment, but there being a singular screen does seem like a severe UI limitation.

deagle50 2y ago
I do miss emacs frames.

globular-toast 2y ago

I think Emacs works the same with frame/buffers. What I really like in Emacs is not having "tabs" or anything like that. I can always open any file on the filesystem, why do I care what it is open currently? Only at the moment I want to switch do I want to see a list, but I don't want to select it like some neanderthal, I want to narrow it down by typing. I wonder how well this would work for a WM, though. Processes are a lot heavier than buffers so it kind of does matter how many are running. Unless it's a system like Android where any app expects to be oom killed at any time.