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Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspici

Since forever I stay suspicious but so far Telegram as an impeccable track record. Never there was a single instance of case where there would be even a suspicion of proof that insider knowledge of conversations was accessed/used. Also, it is clear that Durov is a dissident and personally experienced and run away of the dictatorial state. So I think that it is probably one of the tech personality that I trust the most in the world.

ceinewydd 2y ago
https://x.com/filosottile/status/987376021589692416?s=21 https://x.com/filosottile/status/987376021589692416?s=21 I'm not sure that counts as an impeccable track record.
lxgr 2y ago
“Track record” is an incredibly poor indicator for the lack of a government backdoor, thinking back to Snowden, for example.
hamilyon2 2y ago
The latest evidence of wide cooperation of telegram and Russian officials: https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/ https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/
- codedokode 2y ago
  The article doesn't contain the evidence though; it claims that someone changed access to private for a Telegram group that covered the protests. However, as the article says, it could be done not only by Telegram, but by one of the administrators.
  - Glacia 2y ago
    Except there were multiple different groups that magically happen to go private at the same time. I'm not even going to mention how many people were arrested over telegram messages in russia.
Glacia 2y ago
Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.
- ivanmontillam 2y ago
  > It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked. If you're implying it's backdoored, that's a wild mental gymnastics you made there. No hate, but your comment is speculative in nature.
- k1ndl1 2y ago
  It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it.
  - Glacia 2y ago
    >It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it. Saying Russian government would give a shit about people opinions, funny joke.
- roveo 2y ago
  Telegram wasn't fully blocked in Russia even for a single day. They tried to block it and failed miserably. The team actively circumvented the blocking by deploying to new IPs faster than they were blocked, and in addition to that every IT guy in Russia had a tgproxy instance running for family and friends. After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be.
  - Glacia 2y ago
    >After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be. That's not true. It's legally unblocked. the reason why it was unblocked was never published. "It was unblocked because they gave up" is just your interpretation of the events. Pretty naive one, in my opinion.
evilfred 2y ago
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codedokode 2y ago
By the way, Dropbox had a person from the govt (Condoleezza Rice) on the Board of Directors, and people still entrusted their data to it.

ceinewydd 2y ago

https://x.com/filosottile/status/987376021589692416?s=21 https://x.com/filosottile/status/987376021589692416?s=21 I'm not sure that counts as an impeccable track record.

lxgr 2y ago

“Track record” is an incredibly poor indicator for the lack of a government backdoor, thinking back to Snowden, for example.

hamilyon2 2y ago

The latest evidence of wide cooperation of telegram and Russian officials: https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/ https://roskomsvoboda.org/ru/post/shutdown-v-baymake/

codedokode 2y ago
The article doesn't contain the evidence though; it claims that someone changed access to private for a Telegram group that covered the protests. However, as the article says, it could be done not only by Telegram, but by one of the administrators.
- Glacia 2y ago
  Except there were multiple different groups that magically happen to go private at the same time. I'm not even going to mention how many people were arrested over telegram messages in russia.

Glacia 2y ago

Obviously FSB is not going to make a press release and be like "We have the keys LOL" so there would never be definitive proof. Fun fact: Telegram at some point was blocked in Russia for not giving FSB access to data. Later telegram was unblocked and is used extensively in Russia. It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked.

ivanmontillam 2y ago
> It's not hard to figure out why it was unblocked. If you're implying it's backdoored, that's a wild mental gymnastics you made there. No hate, but your comment is speculative in nature.
k1ndl1 2y ago
It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it.
- Glacia 2y ago
  >It was unblocked because of the backlash from people, incl. Russian politicians who are heavy Telegram users. FSB has nothing to do with it. Saying Russian government would give a shit about people opinions, funny joke.
roveo 2y ago
Telegram wasn't fully blocked in Russia even for a single day. They tried to block it and failed miserably. The team actively circumvented the blocking by deploying to new IPs faster than they were blocked, and in addition to that every IT guy in Russia had a tgproxy instance running for family and friends. After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be.
- Glacia 2y ago
  >After a while they just stopped trying and decided that it's less reputational damage to just let it be. That's not true. It's legally unblocked. the reason why it was unblocked was never published. "It was unblocked because they gave up" is just your interpretation of the events. Pretty naive one, in my opinion.

evilfred 2y ago

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codedokode 2y ago

By the way, Dropbox had a person from the govt (Condoleezza Rice) on the Board of Directors, and people still entrusted their data to it.