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- marviel 2y ago"vaporware"? You may not like cursor, but they have a product that I -- as a professional -- use every day. Vaporware isn't the word you're looking for
- jimsimmons 2y agoThis whole "I became 10x better" is vaporware. It can kinda sorta maybe help sometimes a little bit is not vaporware
- marviel 2y agoI would encourage you to learn how to use these systems rather than discounting their value.
- foobarqux 2y agoPlease record a screencast and educate everyone.
- nabla9 2y agoI agree with other commenter. You don't know how to use them. LLM's are not programmers.
- simonw 2y agoVaporware means something is a concept that hasn't actually shipped yet. You seem to be using "vaporware" to mean over-hyped.
- nyrulez 2y agoCurious to know why you think it's vaporware. Are the latest LLMs like 3.5 Sonnet bad at original programming based on your experience? It hasn't been the case for me when using it for real world projects lately.
- jimsimmons 2y agoI wrote a cycle detecting reference counting system and asked Sonnet 3.5 to fix it and it failed. I hand held it, gave it tests, called out flaws in reasoning.. etc., and it still didn't fix. The longer the chat the more likely it was Sonnet forgot a clarification I provided. Overall huge waste of time, lost my train of thought and I was helping an LLM rubber duck and fail repeatedly
- rmbyrro 2y agoDon't judge it for one single experience. It'll take several for you to understand well how impactful these tools are for SWE.
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- avmich 2y agoThis day it's usually not a good professional at all if he thinks he's writing something novel.
- jimsimmons 2y agoYeah if you're getting paid $50K outside the bay maybe. If you want big bucks you are writing original code, no two ways about it
- kredd 2y agoMost of the code my friends and I write, isn't original. And it's not just people who make $50K/year. Obviously LLM-assisted code writing is still in its infancy, but it has made a lot of mundane things a breeze already. It sucks that one has to know its shortcomings to make it actually useful for yourself (e.g. I won't ask it to write a context-aware function right away, but I know it's great at generating stubs). But we'll get there, I think.
- allisdust 2y agoI pity comments like this. Instead of trying to up skill to use the newest programming tools, you are setting yourself for failure. Sonnet 3.5 digests close to 400k bytes of text and produces coherent code that works on the first try. If someone says its not working and they are a professional programmer, get ready to feel like you are hit by ton of bricks next year. The productivity boost is only going to accelerate and those who can't adopt will be left behind.
- neta1337 2y agoAh yes, just like stocks can only go up. No one will feel like hit by a ton of bricks.
- tom_ 2y agoLet's cross that bridge when we come to it, shall we. Meanwhile, you should be glad we are refusing to use it. If it works as well as you claim, this situation is to your advantage.
- threeseed 2y agoa) There is no up-skilling needed to use LLMs. They are very basic to use. b) Many of us have used them for a while now and can speak from experience that they aren't providing a meaningful productivity boost. Simply because they don't work well enough to provide a positive ROI. And no amount of prompting expertise can change that. c) For me it is junior developers who love these tools because they think it's a shortcut to becoming experienced. But it's akin to cheating. You're not actually learning why and how things are supposed to work. And that will hurt you in professional environments where you often need to explain why you wrote that code and introduced that bug.
- Kiro 2y agoWe are many professionals that share Karpathy's opinion on this and know for a fact that it provides a very meaningful productivity boost. It may not be for everyone but I can absolutely not imagine going back, and can confidently say it's not just junior developers that love these tools.
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- devbent 2y agoI had an XML file format from one app I needed converted to a json file format for another app. I threw both schemas at Claude and asked for it to write converter code. Writing mocks, Claude saves an hour+ when mocking out complex classes. I've never written graphics code before, I had a png animation film strip, Claude wrote code to load, parse, and animate it.
- loandbehold 2y agoYou didn't learn how to use these tools properly. If you did you wouldn't have that opinion. Karpathy doesn't just write code snippets for educational purposes. Most of the code he writes is for real world systems and it's not publicly available.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 2y agoWhat do you mean by professional that doesn't include Karpathy?
- treme 2y ago"Andrej Karpathy (born 23 October 1986[2]) is a Slovak-Canadian computer scientist who served as the director of artificial intelligence and Autopilot Vision at Tesla. He co-founded and formerly worked at OpenAI" I think he should get some cred with such track record.
- Kiro 2y agoI'm trying to understand how you can so easily dismiss all the professionals thinking it's useful. A more charitable explanation could be that it's useless for you but not others.
- dang 2y ago"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html