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> an equivalent "experience" (visual appeal, time latency) to Google Docs and Google Sheets? When people say something like this, in my experience they will no

> an equivalent "experience" (visual appeal, time latency) to Google Docs and Google Sheets? When people say something like this, in my experience they will not be satisfied with anything but a high quality, nearly visually identical knockoff of the product that they're used to, and, after complimenting it, they'll find some intangible reason to dismiss the knockoff (at the least, for being "just a knockoff.") > (2) the looks-bad (ugly dark rectangles, fonts, etc.) You may think your "looks bad" is universal, but that's an illusion caused by using the exact same products from the same product lines as the people around you. "Looks bad" is an unfalsifiable excuse. You know you shouldn't be selling yourselves to these companies, but you have to figure out a way to blame it on the only people offering you a way out. > (painting a spreadsheet that doesn't hurt one's eyes) How fragile are we? Your eyes hurt from spreadsheets and word processors. > the above description in mind, please Nobody has time to figure out what you think looks bad, especially when whatever the current dominant, consumer-hostile product is fits the bill. Just use Google Docs and Google Sheets, and don't feel guilty for not being someone you're not.

mschuster91 2y ago
> When people say something like this, in my experience they will not be satisfied with anything but a high quality, nearly visually identical knockoff of the product that they're used to, and, after complimenting it, they'll find some intangible reason to dismiss the knockoff (at the least, for being "just a knockoff.") Because the small details actually matter in the experience. Take Mastodon for example: I can barely see a visual difference after a repost in the icon because the "active" and "inactive" colors are very VERY similar to each other, and there is no change in the number next to the repost icon either. As a result I have to very carefully go near the screen before I repost something, and that makes a pretty annoying experience. UX/UI in general is the largest issue that FOSS projects have, because the people actually knowing their shit are expensive to hire and the experiments needed to figure out what works better cost serious money if you want to go beyond "run a/b tests and piss the hell out of your users who are unwittingly being used as guinea pigs in a code farm".
- rubymamis 2y ago
  > UX/UI in general is the largest issue that FOSS projects have Couldn't agree more! As a FOSS developer[1] that tries to strive for good UX/UI in my apps. [1] https://www.notes-foss.com/ https://www.notes-foss.com/
  - notjoemama 2y ago
    Thank you for all your hard work. It is truly appreciated!
    - rubymamis 2y ago
      Thanks a lot!
  - dr_kiszonka 2y ago
    Nice project! Two bits of feedback regarding your pricing page: 1) you have a typo: "signle" 2) I would left-align your lists (those that start with checkmarks)
    - rubymamis 2y ago
      Whoops, thanks! Regarding no. 2, they are left aligned but I decreased their padding now, should look better.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  > Because the small details actually matter in the experience. Since when has a large company actually cared about those details? The last time Microsoft cared was the late 00s. By 2010, Microsoft's UI decisions were squarely in the "doesn't make any sense" camp. Today, they've almost finished removing the last of those sensible late-90s UI decisions (which were, I will note, thoroughly researched), in favour of… vibes? A/B testing? I'm not really sure. The last time Google cared was around the same time: late 00s, early 2010s. Then they killed Google Specialized Search, flattened their logo, flattened Android 5's UI (the beginning of the end for non-power-users being able to find their way around), and proceeded to flatten everything in sight. Skeuomorphism is a dirty word. I've seen the same trends from Twitter, Facebook… actually, every big tech property except facebook.com, which has somehow managed to keep its 00s-chic multiple-window interface and colour scheme. If not for the News Feed, it might actually be one of the more usable social media sites!

mschuster91 2y ago

> When people say something like this, in my experience they will not be satisfied with anything but a high quality, nearly visually identical knockoff of the product that they're used to, and, after complimenting it, they'll find some intangible reason to dismiss the knockoff (at the least, for being "just a knockoff.") Because the small details actually matter in the experience. Take Mastodon for example: I can barely see a visual difference after a repost in the icon because the "active" and "inactive" colors are very VERY similar to each other, and there is no change in the number next to the repost icon either. As a result I have to very carefully go near the screen before I repost something, and that makes a pretty annoying experience. UX/UI in general is the largest issue that FOSS projects have, because the people actually knowing their shit are expensive to hire and the experiments needed to figure out what works better cost serious money if you want to go beyond "run a/b tests and piss the hell out of your users who are unwittingly being used as guinea pigs in a code farm".

rubymamis 2y ago
> UX/UI in general is the largest issue that FOSS projects have Couldn't agree more! As a FOSS developer[1] that tries to strive for good UX/UI in my apps. [1] https://www.notes-foss.com/ https://www.notes-foss.com/
- notjoemama 2y ago
  Thank you for all your hard work. It is truly appreciated!
  - rubymamis 2y ago
    Thanks a lot!
- dr_kiszonka 2y ago
  Nice project! Two bits of feedback regarding your pricing page: 1) you have a typo: "signle" 2) I would left-align your lists (those that start with checkmarks)
  - rubymamis 2y ago
    Whoops, thanks! Regarding no. 2, they are left aligned but I decreased their padding now, should look better.
wizzwizz4 2y ago
> Because the small details actually matter in the experience. Since when has a large company actually cared about those details? The last time Microsoft cared was the late 00s. By 2010, Microsoft's UI decisions were squarely in the "doesn't make any sense" camp. Today, they've almost finished removing the last of those sensible late-90s UI decisions (which were, I will note, thoroughly researched), in favour of… vibes? A/B testing? I'm not really sure. The last time Google cared was around the same time: late 00s, early 2010s. Then they killed Google Specialized Search, flattened their logo, flattened Android 5's UI (the beginning of the end for non-power-users being able to find their way around), and proceeded to flatten everything in sight. Skeuomorphism is a dirty word. I've seen the same trends from Twitter, Facebook… actually, every big tech property except facebook.com, which has somehow managed to keep its 00s-chic multiple-window interface and colour scheme. If not for the News Feed, it might actually be one of the more usable social media sites!