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You're attacking a strawman. Authorship data like git commit history is about telling the story of how people brought a thing into existence. The journey can ma
by jart 2y ago
You're attacking a strawman. Authorship data like git commit history is about telling the story of how people brought a thing into existence. The journey can matter as much as the destination. Will AI be able to move forward on its own, if it has no knowledge of how it got there? I guess it's a question of how smart you really want it to be.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoIntellectual property isn't a valid idea.
- jart 2y agoThen you must be thrilled with the way AI training is being practiced.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoYes, I enjoy the creation of new technologies which can make the legal fabrication of intellectual property terminally unfeasible.
- jart 2y agoThey may have indemnity against rent-seeking but they can still be judged for their behavior.
- kelseyfrog 2y agoRight, but I'm not advocating for actions within the current system. I'm advocating for a change to the current system by drawing a contrast between legality and reality. We have a collective tendency to forget that we're the authors of legality and tend to reverse our causal arrows. Reality should be reflected in the law, not be shaped by the law.
- jart 2y agoLaw and money are both old world concepts. I care about code and attention. I also believe in respecting other people. Law was invented to formalize deeper concepts like respect. Just because the law is broken, doesn't mean it's ok to start disrespecting others boundaries and intentions. All progress is played out above the legal waterline. Code doesn't exist until it's written. That's the way it's always been. We also have a voice in that process.
- xigoi 2y agoGreat, so when are OpenAI and Anthropic going to make their LLMs public domain?
- cowboylowrez 2y agothere are really no natural rights, except winning a contest. eat or be eaten, these are the only natural rights. every other right is a product of civilized society to put it simply. and civilized society thinks that renumeration for intellectual works is a good thing. copyright looks to apply free market competition for authored works while protecting against those who wish to freeload. its even better than that, because freeloaders have the vast array of free stuff available and nobody would complain that you personally benefit from their use even if you don't contribute back. but I do agree with you halfway, property rights are a social construct, but I disagree with the "invalid" part.