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We've been at war with Russia for a few decades at this point but only Russia has noticed.
by luma 2y ago
We've been at war with Russia for a few decades at this point but only Russia has noticed.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoHow so?
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoOh, you know. Shooting down a civilian airliner full of Dutch citizens. Poisoning people on British soil. Multiple times. Funding neo-NAZI or various far-right political parties. Blatant sabotage and espionage. Just little things. Not warlike at all.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoThose things are terrible, and Russia has suffered in response. Thankfully not every insidious act is met with escalation. Down that path is MADness.
- larsga 2y agoWe've been appeasing Russia since the 1990s, and the only thing we've gotten in return is constant Russian escalation (Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014, Ukraine 2022, sabotage galore, ...) What we do see is that when Ukraine or anyone else tramples their red lines (Finland, Sweden joining NATO) nothing happens. If they dare hit us with something they do it regardless of what we're doing. Very hard to see how we get out of this short of the Putin regime falling.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoPeople like you really do want to see the world burn... At what point do you admit that you just don't understand Russia at all? Because if your understanding matched reality Russian people would have overthrown Putin two years ago, just like every Western newspaper and magazine said. Basically what you are saying is: we keep escalating and they still haven't hit the big red button. Do you really think a decision to do that would come that easily? Why would it be done when unprovoked? Lastly, this type of behavior - keep trying one's luck to see how far boundaries can be pushed - is what toddlers do. Maybe grow up?
- cmrdporcupine 2y ago> we keep escalating and they still haven't hit the big red button You... have things completely backwards.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoThe comment I responded to basically said this verbatim. The russkies don't actually have any red lines, so just hit them. Now: Stalin didn't actually start a nuclear war (though he could have). These "civilized Europeans" who are pushing for escalation are therefore more evil than Stalin.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoIs the west the one escalating? Looks like the west is responding in very careful measured ways, possibly even under reacting sometimes. Russia does seem to be the one agitating and pushing boundaries, especially when former Soviet states elect more independently minded governments.
- riehwvfbk 2y agoIn the West the one escalating? Yes. They defeated and humiliated their Cold War opponent, but wouldn't leave them alone.
- justinclift 2y agoThe article in question seems to suggest otherwise. ;)
- riehwvfbk 2y agoAh, so if an article suggests that water is dry and grass is purple - I should trust the article.
- mood2anime 2y ago[flagged]
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- JKCalhoun 2y agoAssuming they mean we've been at economic war with tariffs, etc.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoThat assumes we don't see tariffs as war while Russia, and presumably the poster, do consider it war. Otherwise both sides would acknowledge we're at (cold?) war.
- jajko 2y agoRussia has been undermining democracies all over the world since puttin' came to power, sometimes from shadows sometimes not so much. US elections, any EU elections, heck my own country had or maybe still has a very healthy FSB/GRU community meddling into anything they can, and parts of political spectrum especially far right is literally on their payrolls. Seems a ridiculous claim, but all far right organizations in central/east Europe switched from focusing on their national sovereignty into uncritical open russia support within last decade, which goes directly against their core principles. Russia (well its cleptocratic corrupt leadership) is as much afraid of democracy as US was of communism in 50s - seen as existential threat to 'russian way'. This doesn't represent opinion of population, but in such regime their opinion is largely irrelevant, and they know well to bow down and be quiet or else. And Europe is top target - geographically closest, russia feels they should export their glory as far as they can, and also not so homogenous so feeding confrontations within block, ie by supporting folks like Orban or now also Fico.
- pydry 2y ago[flagged]
- paulryanrogers 2y agoAmerica has open dissent within its borders. Its record is mixed, and does not always prop up corrupt vassals.
- pydry 2y agoJulian Assange would like a word about exposing American war crimes.
- paulryanrogers 2y agoThat's one extreme example, Assange has literally leaked the raw footage and names of operatives. Plenty of people speak out and oppose the government in the US and have for a long time, all without going to jail. In Russia opposition leaders are jailed and die. Even ordinary citizens are jailed for speaking publicly. The US has also gone through several transfers of power replacing the head of state.