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> I can say whatever I want; as long as I am not threatening someone else's life or liberty. The people who are in jail for, as you claim "offending others onl

by edent 2y ago

> I can say whatever I want; as long as I am not threatening someone else's life or liberty. The people who are in jail for, as you claim "offending others online" were threatening people's lives. > The system you defend is banning sharp objects Again, not true. I can buy as many sharp objects as I want. I can even take them out in public if I want. The law even allows me to use them for self defence. We've had a problem with some people buying weaponry - and it is weaponry which has been banned. You can go into any DIY store and buy all the knives, machetes, and chainsaws that you want. > The US is a wonderful amazing place. I would encourage you to join the 40% of your fellow citizens who have passports and go explore the world rather than reading about it.

sva_ 2y ago
> I can buy as many sharp objects as I want. I can even take them out in public if I want. https://mk-law.co.uk/new-law-targets-zombie-knives-and-machetes-with-upcoming-ban/ https://mk-law.co.uk/new-law-targets-zombie-knives-and-mache... Oddly specific rules though
- edent 2y ago
  Sharp objects are not the same as weaponry. The US Constitution says something about the right to bear arms, but I don't think you're allowed to own a landmine or nuclear bomb, right?
- adrian_b 2y ago
  Assuming that the rules enumerated at that link are the complete rules, I have a Japanese bread knife that I use every day for its exquisite sharpness, and which would become forbidden by these rules. The reason is that it has a 9-inch serrated blade, which is a very frequently encountered size for bread knives, and the angle at the tip of the blade is slightly smaller than the 90 degree angle mandated by the new rules. The slightly acute blade tip is very handy when cutting some big hard vegetables, like water melons or pumpkins, or some very big breads, which have a diameter greater than the 9-inch blade length. The rules as written on that site are ambiguous, because they could be also interpreted as only forbidding the 2-edged blades, where one edge is plain and one edge is serrated (a kind of knife that I have never seen). However this interpretation of the rules is contradicted by "other than a serrated cutting edge of up to two inches next to the handle", which is a typical feature of single-edged blades and which would not make sense on a 2-edged blade. The rules still allow the possession of a fighting/utility knife, like the classic KA-BAR, whose blade is only 7-in long and which has a small serrated edge that satisfies the rules.
  - sva_ 2y ago
    > as only forbidding the 2-edged blades, where one edge is plain and one edge is serrated (a kind of knife that I have never seen). It sounds like they mean hunting knifes like this: https://images.ontheedgebrands.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,height=700,width=700,quality=90/images/A17-BK5485.jpg https://images.ontheedgebrands.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,heig...
jakeogh 2y ago
@SouthYorkshirePolice (2017) http://v6y.net/456654b7.png http://v6y.net/456654b7.png "Possession of a knife carries a prison sentence" I can post these all day. They get taken down. You may pretend they dont exist.
- edent 2y ago
  You are allowed to buy knives in the UK. You're allowed to own them. You can even take them out in public. I do it regularly. What you cannot do is illegally carry a weapon. It's documented at https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives You may think that's unreasonable, but most people here don't. I encourage you to visit other countries and talk to people about their lived experiences.
  - huxleywasright 2y ago
    The context comments you replied to is weapons. In the US (and many other places) we can carry them without a hall pass, and it's a good thing. You don't agree; but pretending that you can carry a pointy object in this context "legally" as long as it's "not a weapon" is like saying you can protect your life as long as the other person agrees with you; it's newspeak.
    - edent 2y ago
      > and it's a good thing. Well, you think it's a good thing. Lots of us think it is a bad thing. Luckily, we live in different countries with different laws. Similarly, in the UK, I'm free to buy a Kinder Surprise and give it to a child to eat, and it's a good thing. But your government bans chocolate - https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/07/why-are-kinder-surprise-eggs-banned-in-the-us-16424160/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/07/why-are-kinder-surprise-eggs-... Throughout Europe, we're allowed to eat whatever cheese we like. Something that your government wishes to protect you from. https://thecheesewanker.com/lifestyle/8-famous-cheeses-that-are-banned-in-the-usa/ https://thecheesewanker.com/lifestyle/8-famous-cheeses-that-... Every country has a difference tolerance for risk. You may think that your weaponry allows you to live free - but for lots of us, it is an unacceptable risk. We think people should be allowed to eat chocolate and not get shot. You think that is an unacceptable risk. Vive la différence!

by edent 2y ago

sva_ 2y ago

> I can buy as many sharp objects as I want. I can even take them out in public if I want. https://mk-law.co.uk/new-law-targets-zombie-knives-and-machetes-with-upcoming-ban/ https://mk-law.co.uk/new-law-targets-zombie-knives-and-mache... Oddly specific rules though

edent 2y ago
Sharp objects are not the same as weaponry. The US Constitution says something about the right to bear arms, but I don't think you're allowed to own a landmine or nuclear bomb, right?
adrian_b 2y ago
Assuming that the rules enumerated at that link are the complete rules, I have a Japanese bread knife that I use every day for its exquisite sharpness, and which would become forbidden by these rules. The reason is that it has a 9-inch serrated blade, which is a very frequently encountered size for bread knives, and the angle at the tip of the blade is slightly smaller than the 90 degree angle mandated by the new rules. The slightly acute blade tip is very handy when cutting some big hard vegetables, like water melons or pumpkins, or some very big breads, which have a diameter greater than the 9-inch blade length. The rules as written on that site are ambiguous, because they could be also interpreted as only forbidding the 2-edged blades, where one edge is plain and one edge is serrated (a kind of knife that I have never seen). However this interpretation of the rules is contradicted by "other than a serrated cutting edge of up to two inches next to the handle", which is a typical feature of single-edged blades and which would not make sense on a 2-edged blade. The rules still allow the possession of a fighting/utility knife, like the classic KA-BAR, whose blade is only 7-in long and which has a small serrated edge that satisfies the rules.
- sva_ 2y ago
  > as only forbidding the 2-edged blades, where one edge is plain and one edge is serrated (a kind of knife that I have never seen). It sounds like they mean hunting knifes like this: https://images.ontheedgebrands.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,height=700,width=700,quality=90/images/A17-BK5485.jpg https://images.ontheedgebrands.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,heig...

jakeogh 2y ago

@SouthYorkshirePolice (2017) http://v6y.net/456654b7.png http://v6y.net/456654b7.png "Possession of a knife carries a prison sentence" I can post these all day. They get taken down. You may pretend they dont exist.

edent 2y ago
You are allowed to buy knives in the UK. You're allowed to own them. You can even take them out in public. I do it regularly. What you cannot do is illegally carry a weapon. It's documented at https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives You may think that's unreasonable, but most people here don't. I encourage you to visit other countries and talk to people about their lived experiences.
- huxleywasright 2y ago
  The context comments you replied to is weapons. In the US (and many other places) we can carry them without a hall pass, and it's a good thing. You don't agree; but pretending that you can carry a pointy object in this context "legally" as long as it's "not a weapon" is like saying you can protect your life as long as the other person agrees with you; it's newspeak.
  - edent 2y ago
    > and it's a good thing. Well, you think it's a good thing. Lots of us think it is a bad thing. Luckily, we live in different countries with different laws. Similarly, in the UK, I'm free to buy a Kinder Surprise and give it to a child to eat, and it's a good thing. But your government bans chocolate - https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/07/why-are-kinder-surprise-eggs-banned-in-the-us-16424160/ https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/07/why-are-kinder-surprise-eggs-... Throughout Europe, we're allowed to eat whatever cheese we like. Something that your government wishes to protect you from. https://thecheesewanker.com/lifestyle/8-famous-cheeses-that-are-banned-in-the-usa/ https://thecheesewanker.com/lifestyle/8-famous-cheeses-that-... Every country has a difference tolerance for risk. You may think that your weaponry allows you to live free - but for lots of us, it is an unacceptable risk. We think people should be allowed to eat chocolate and not get shot. You think that is an unacceptable risk. Vive la différence!