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Generous interpretation: they want to make better and stop implying untrue things in their marketing. Cynical version: something very bad happened that we will

Generous interpretation: they want to make better and stop implying untrue things in their marketing. Cynical version: something very bad happened that we will hear in the news in next couple of days and they are panic scrubbing stuff.

verelo 2y ago
Sooooo, do those of us that bought into it get compensated for the misrepresentation? I doubt it but that’s be sensible.
- mey 2y ago
  What is the average lifespan of a car? If the service is not delivered during the useful life of the vehicle I would assume it already qualifies as misrepresentation. 2016 is 8 years ago, I am sure plenty of those vehicles have put over 150k miles on them and have deprecated into nothing.
  - Loughla 2y ago
    It's 150k acceptable today? I was upset when my transmission went out at 200k. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the expected life of a car is quite a bit longer than that?
    - londons_explore 2y ago
      Some states/countries publish stats on car registrations/unregistrations and also record mileage each year at annual tests. I'm pretty sure somewhere on the internet you'll find enough official data to figure out median car mileage.
      - Loughla 2y ago
        Well after looking, there aren't any good reliable sources for an easy number. But comparing what state data I could find, it seems like 12 years and 200k mileage is the median. So I maintain my original statement. 8 years and 150k miles for a car that is sold as a simpler (mechanically) and more reliable because of that mechanical simplicity is kind of crappy.
    - xp84 2y ago
      I feel like with the warranty usually lasting 50k or so, it’s reasonable to say many people wouldn’t keep a car, or have ever planned to, past 150k, even if the car is perfectly drivable 8 years on with that mileage. My car is that old, and I expect to keep it at least 8 more. But many would have traded in by 8 years especially if they drive so much more than me.
- lazide 2y ago
  As is usual in these type of class actions, you’ll probably get coupon for 10% off the heated seat upgrades in a new Tesla after 10 years of litigation.
gregors 2y ago
They can't spot motorcycles https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-sued-by-family-motorcyclist-killed-autopilot-crash-2024-08-02/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
- dmix 2y ago
  Seems to have been a Harley Davidson rear ended at 1am on a highway. NHTSA also opened an investigation into that crash in 2022 https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-probes-tesla-crash-205440221.html?src=rss https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-probes-tesla-crash-205... Tesla recently settled a lawsuit (where the Tesla driver died) recently from an old 2018 incident, so maybe the family saw an opportunity to try their own suit 2yrs after the incident https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-autopilot-death-settlement-1.7167870 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-autopilot-death-settl...
ClassyJacket 2y ago
"Something very bad" meaning a legal problem. A bad accident killing a handful of people wouldn't make them change it.
ripjaygn 2y ago
Or they just decided to clean up the blog and remove all old releases prior to 2019. Nothing from 2018 and before in the blog anymore.
- tomrod 2y ago
  Intent matters little, consequences matter significantly. Strong argument exists that your comment focused on the intent instead of the perceived outcome.
- londons_explore 2y ago
  This. Someone probably migrated the backend from Django to Jekyl and manually migrated a few years of blog posts and decided that anything older than 2020 was no longer relevant.
rvz 2y ago
This should be unsurprising to anyone who saw through the lies from Tesla and Elon over FSD (Fools Self Driving) after the California DMV already went after Tesla over their false advertising. [0] The worst part was that the customers paying for the system didn't even know they got scammed, as put eloquently in this HN comment. [1]. [0] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-05/dmv-false-advertising-tesla https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-05/dmv-false-... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32364110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32364110
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verelo 2y ago

Sooooo, do those of us that bought into it get compensated for the misrepresentation? I doubt it but that’s be sensible.

mey 2y ago
What is the average lifespan of a car? If the service is not delivered during the useful life of the vehicle I would assume it already qualifies as misrepresentation. 2016 is 8 years ago, I am sure plenty of those vehicles have put over 150k miles on them and have deprecated into nothing.
- Loughla 2y ago
  It's 150k acceptable today? I was upset when my transmission went out at 200k. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the expected life of a car is quite a bit longer than that?
  - londons_explore 2y ago
    Some states/countries publish stats on car registrations/unregistrations and also record mileage each year at annual tests. I'm pretty sure somewhere on the internet you'll find enough official data to figure out median car mileage.
    - Loughla 2y ago
      Well after looking, there aren't any good reliable sources for an easy number. But comparing what state data I could find, it seems like 12 years and 200k mileage is the median. So I maintain my original statement. 8 years and 150k miles for a car that is sold as a simpler (mechanically) and more reliable because of that mechanical simplicity is kind of crappy.
  - xp84 2y ago
    I feel like with the warranty usually lasting 50k or so, it’s reasonable to say many people wouldn’t keep a car, or have ever planned to, past 150k, even if the car is perfectly drivable 8 years on with that mileage. My car is that old, and I expect to keep it at least 8 more. But many would have traded in by 8 years especially if they drive so much more than me.
lazide 2y ago
As is usual in these type of class actions, you’ll probably get coupon for 10% off the heated seat upgrades in a new Tesla after 10 years of litigation.

gregors 2y ago

They can't spot motorcycles https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-sued-by-family-motorcyclist-killed-autopilot-crash-2024-08-02/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

dmix 2y ago
Seems to have been a Harley Davidson rear ended at 1am on a highway. NHTSA also opened an investigation into that crash in 2022 https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-probes-tesla-crash-205440221.html?src=rss https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-probes-tesla-crash-205... Tesla recently settled a lawsuit (where the Tesla driver died) recently from an old 2018 incident, so maybe the family saw an opportunity to try their own suit 2yrs after the incident https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-autopilot-death-settlement-1.7167870 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-autopilot-death-settl...

ClassyJacket 2y ago

"Something very bad" meaning a legal problem. A bad accident killing a handful of people wouldn't make them change it.

ripjaygn 2y ago

Or they just decided to clean up the blog and remove all old releases prior to 2019. Nothing from 2018 and before in the blog anymore.

tomrod 2y ago
Intent matters little, consequences matter significantly. Strong argument exists that your comment focused on the intent instead of the perceived outcome.
londons_explore 2y ago
This. Someone probably migrated the backend from Django to Jekyl and manually migrated a few years of blog posts and decided that anything older than 2020 was no longer relevant.

rvz 2y ago

This should be unsurprising to anyone who saw through the lies from Tesla and Elon over FSD (Fools Self Driving) after the California DMV already went after Tesla over their false advertising. [0] The worst part was that the customers paying for the system didn't even know they got scammed, as put eloquently in this HN comment. [1]. [0] https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-05/dmv-false-advertising-tesla https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-05/dmv-false-... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32364110 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32364110

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