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MIT's first freshman class since affirmative-action ban is less diverse

25 points by donsupreme 2y ago

0xy 2y ago
Discrimination based on race has lowered, they mean?
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  They mean they've stopped turning away incredibly talented Asian students just because they're Asian
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    It might be easier to discriminate against Asians via immigration status, if that's the goal.
mediaman 2y ago
There's a couple observations about these numbers. The first is that the numbers don't add up to 100%, because students can select more than one race. For the class of 2028 they add up to close to 100%, but they add up to over 120% for the prior year. This suggests that there's been significant changes in how many students select more than one race. It's possible that without an incentive to select an under-represented race, that many fewer students did so. Secondly, the percentage of white students didn't change much. The portion of students identifying as Asian-descent went up quite a bit, while black/hispanic declined; the rest of the difference appears to be due to the change in multi-race selection. Overall, this does seem to suggest that the systems previously in place did not really affect white students much, but served to suppress Asian student representation in favor of other minority students.
- hilux 2y ago
  Such a good observation! Even as a very left-leaning person, this is the problem I see with the current implementation of "DEI": the white majority, including so-called progressives, never intend to give up their hold on all forms of influence, in every sphere of life. But they come up with a variety of schemes designed to take away representation from Asians, especially those Asians deemed "over-represented." And don't even get me started on Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal, Elizabeth Hoover, etc.
matrix87 2y ago
good luck to the people who want it back, it's an uphill battle from here. next up on the chopping block: hiring
- beaglesss 2y ago
  Civil rights act as imposed on private entities is blatantly unconstitutional violation of the 10th amendment IMO. I think current SCOTUS may have the cajones to actually nix it.
  - matrix87 2y ago
    this scotus has the political orientation needed to do something like that OTOH, it flies in the face of the classic conservative "letting corporations do whatever they want" attitude, so it might be a mixed bag
  - underseacables 2y ago
    That is blatantly asinine. Are you saying that a hotel should be able to discriminate against someone based on their race?
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      In intrastate commerce I see no reason how the feds can constitutionally stop them.
      - underseacables 2y ago
        Banking. Money crosses state lines which makes it fair game under the commerce clause. There's only 50+ years of court cases on the subject.
        hackeraccount 2y ago
        By that logic is there anything that the Federal government can't regulate? If that's the case why is the commerce clause in the Constitution at all?
dadjoker 2y ago
So what?
basementcat 2y ago
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25 points by donsupreme 2y ago

0xy 2y ago

Discrimination based on race has lowered, they mean?

readthenotes1 2y ago
They mean they've stopped turning away incredibly talented Asian students just because they're Asian
- beaglesss 2y ago
  It might be easier to discriminate against Asians via immigration status, if that's the goal.

mediaman 2y ago

There's a couple observations about these numbers. The first is that the numbers don't add up to 100%, because students can select more than one race. For the class of 2028 they add up to close to 100%, but they add up to over 120% for the prior year. This suggests that there's been significant changes in how many students select more than one race. It's possible that without an incentive to select an under-represented race, that many fewer students did so. Secondly, the percentage of white students didn't change much. The portion of students identifying as Asian-descent went up quite a bit, while black/hispanic declined; the rest of the difference appears to be due to the change in multi-race selection. Overall, this does seem to suggest that the systems previously in place did not really affect white students much, but served to suppress Asian student representation in favor of other minority students.

hilux 2y ago
Such a good observation! Even as a very left-leaning person, this is the problem I see with the current implementation of "DEI": the white majority, including so-called progressives, never intend to give up their hold on all forms of influence, in every sphere of life. But they come up with a variety of schemes designed to take away representation from Asians, especially those Asians deemed "over-represented." And don't even get me started on Elizabeth Warren, Rachel Dolezal, Elizabeth Hoover, etc.

matrix87 2y ago

good luck to the people who want it back, it's an uphill battle from here. next up on the chopping block: hiring

beaglesss 2y ago
Civil rights act as imposed on private entities is blatantly unconstitutional violation of the 10th amendment IMO. I think current SCOTUS may have the cajones to actually nix it.
- matrix87 2y ago
  this scotus has the political orientation needed to do something like that OTOH, it flies in the face of the classic conservative "letting corporations do whatever they want" attitude, so it might be a mixed bag
- underseacables 2y ago
  That is blatantly asinine. Are you saying that a hotel should be able to discriminate against someone based on their race?
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    In intrastate commerce I see no reason how the feds can constitutionally stop them.
    - underseacables 2y ago
      Banking. Money crosses state lines which makes it fair game under the commerce clause. There's only 50+ years of court cases on the subject.
      - hackeraccount 2y ago
        By that logic is there anything that the Federal government can't regulate? If that's the case why is the commerce clause in the Constitution at all?

dadjoker 2y ago

So what?

basementcat 2y ago

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