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I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

by neofrommatrix 2y ago

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
This attitude reads to me like: only those who agree with you deserve a place in our economy and society.
- coryrc 2y ago
  Huh, where have I heard that before? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights-trump-gop/678797/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights...
- dimensi0nal 2y ago
  maybe guys don't want to buy cars that make them unfuckable
- anon373839 2y ago
  Funny, it reads to me like: my money should go where I see fit.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    What I see is that people here and on places like Reddit seem to support expression of political views when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it. And not just that, but they go out of their way to manufacture outrage or signal their actions in order to suppress their political opposition, who they feel should not be able to express their views. When you can’t handle your opposition’s ideas being aired, you don’t support democracy. Sure you can make the claim that your money should go where you see fit, but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      > but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed. No, it does not. Not buying something from someone does nothing to impede their right to free speech.
    - neofrommatrix 2y ago
      Mr. Musk is free to discuss whatever he wants to. I am free to spend my money like I want to. That’s a part of being in a democracy. And your argument applies to the right-wing when it comes to left ideology as well. Like the Bud Light boycott.
    - kanbara 2y ago
      usually this is because leftist views are inclusionary and supporting diversity and disability, while right wing views are marginalising and hierarchical
    - anon373839 2y ago
      > when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it. I want to push back on something here because I am centrist, even right-leaning in some respects. What Elon Musk has done is not normal. Donald Trump is not normal. He is dangerously unfit for office. The tactics he and Musk have engaged in (such as courting and amplifying extremist groups) have nothing to do with ordinary civil discourse between "conservative" and "liberal" philosophy or policy proposals. And it's a false equivalence to suggest that they do.
      - okr 2y ago
        Hm. But we want "our" leaders to be controversial and to make points, no? To know where they stand and where they want to go to. I need this clear distinction. Before i did not really have a political home, i saw common-sense disappear, that i used to know. But with these controversial voices i got to know so many interesting people and their voices, it helped me a lot to be positive about the future, which i saw dim in the past.
- paretoer 2y ago
  The nail that sticks out gets hammered down! These people shouldn't complain when their is no creativity left in society.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
That will teach the atmosphere
- neofrommatrix 2y ago
  There’s other EVs out there.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    Yeah, but I’ve known others who get an ICE out of spite :)

I was seriously considering a Model X until Mr. Musk decided to open up on his political ideology..

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

This attitude reads to me like: only those who agree with you deserve a place in our economy and society.

coryrc 2y ago
Huh, where have I heard that before? https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights-trump-gop/678797/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/06/gay-rights...
dimensi0nal 2y ago
maybe guys don't want to buy cars that make them unfuckable
anon373839 2y ago
Funny, it reads to me like: my money should go where I see fit.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  What I see is that people here and on places like Reddit seem to support expression of political views when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it. And not just that, but they go out of their way to manufacture outrage or signal their actions in order to suppress their political opposition, who they feel should not be able to express their views. When you can’t handle your opposition’s ideas being aired, you don’t support democracy. Sure you can make the claim that your money should go where you see fit, but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    > but it does also mean that you don’t support a society where ideas can be discussed. No, it does not. Not buying something from someone does nothing to impede their right to free speech.
  - neofrommatrix 2y ago
    Mr. Musk is free to discuss whatever he wants to. I am free to spend my money like I want to. That’s a part of being in a democracy. And your argument applies to the right-wing when it comes to left ideology as well. Like the Bud Light boycott.
  - kanbara 2y ago
    usually this is because leftist views are inclusionary and supporting diversity and disability, while right wing views are marginalising and hierarchical
  - anon373839 2y ago
    > when it is for their side. They wouldn’t take issue with CEOs supporting leftist social justice issues, for example. But when it is a CEO supporting centrist or right-leaning views, they don’t support it. I want to push back on something here because I am centrist, even right-leaning in some respects. What Elon Musk has done is not normal. Donald Trump is not normal. He is dangerously unfit for office. The tactics he and Musk have engaged in (such as courting and amplifying extremist groups) have nothing to do with ordinary civil discourse between "conservative" and "liberal" philosophy or policy proposals. And it's a false equivalence to suggest that they do.
    - okr 2y ago
      Hm. But we want "our" leaders to be controversial and to make points, no? To know where they stand and where they want to go to. I need this clear distinction. Before i did not really have a political home, i saw common-sense disappear, that i used to know. But with these controversial voices i got to know so many interesting people and their voices, it helped me a lot to be positive about the future, which i saw dim in the past.
paretoer 2y ago
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down! These people shouldn't complain when their is no creativity left in society.

mensetmanusman 2y ago

That will teach the atmosphere

neofrommatrix 2y ago
There’s other EVs out there.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Yeah, but I’ve known others who get an ICE out of spite :)