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I think it should be the opposite. If you buy a cheap thing and suddenly start feeling uncomfortable using it in public, you can just buy another cheap thing. W

I think it should be the opposite. If you buy a cheap thing and suddenly start feeling uncomfortable using it in public, you can just buy another cheap thing. With expensive things, you want to play it safe, because replacing it will be expensive if you start having second thoughts.

ein0p 2y ago
99% of eligible buyers don’t care one way or another. As big as it may seem to you, the US neoliberal bubble is not really that large. That’s why Tesla sold 1.81M cars last year. It is a formidable number no matter how you look at it.
al_borland 2y ago
Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care. I don’t have a Tesla, but if someone is going to judge me based on the assumed political views of the CEO of the car brand I happen to drive… they need to get a life. Does the company make a good car? That’s the only thing that actually matters.
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- sangnoir 2y ago
  > Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care Car OEMs invest millions in branding on the basis of/to promote the opposite of what you're saying: the brand is an expression or an extension of the buyers identity.
  - al_borland 2y ago
    That’s what marketing is, but as individuals we should seek to understand the goal of marketing so we don’t blindly fall for it. It’s not real. As the old saying goes… we spend money we don’t have, on things we don’t need, to impress people we don’t care about. We can choose to not do that, and the marketing department can go to hell.
    - segfaltnh 2y ago
      Regardless of how true your point is, millions of 20-something year old men exist in the market that haven't yet, or never will, reach your state of capitalism nirvana.
      - jack_pp 2y ago
        So your assumption justifies judging Tesla owners? Doesn't seem very enlightened of you either
        segfaltnh 2y ago
        Did you mean to reply to me? I didn't claim it was or wasn't okay, or that I was enlightened. I am merely pointing out that one person's journey to separating themselves from being concerned with vanity and status of their vehicle doesn't remove the large population of people predisposed to behave otherwise.
    - The_Colonel 2y ago
      Personally, I stopped fighting this particular battle. I've come to the realization that intangibles matter - some of those might be incidental, some pure personal preferences, some result of me being manipulated by marketing. But separating which is which is not always easy, and I'd rather spend my time on other things. As a result I take "intangibles" as a rational factor in buying decisions even if the intangibles themselves might not necessarily be rational.

ein0p 2y ago

99% of eligible buyers don’t care one way or another. As big as it may seem to you, the US neoliberal bubble is not really that large. That’s why Tesla sold 1.81M cars last year. It is a formidable number no matter how you look at it.

al_borland 2y ago

Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care. I don’t have a Tesla, but if someone is going to judge me based on the assumed political views of the CEO of the car brand I happen to drive… they need to get a life. Does the company make a good car? That’s the only thing that actually matters.

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sangnoir 2y ago
> Step 1 is to stop buying things (or not) because you care how it will make you look to other people who don’t actually care Car OEMs invest millions in branding on the basis of/to promote the opposite of what you're saying: the brand is an expression or an extension of the buyers identity.
- al_borland 2y ago
  That’s what marketing is, but as individuals we should seek to understand the goal of marketing so we don’t blindly fall for it. It’s not real. As the old saying goes… we spend money we don’t have, on things we don’t need, to impress people we don’t care about. We can choose to not do that, and the marketing department can go to hell.
  - segfaltnh 2y ago
    Regardless of how true your point is, millions of 20-something year old men exist in the market that haven't yet, or never will, reach your state of capitalism nirvana.
    - jack_pp 2y ago
      So your assumption justifies judging Tesla owners? Doesn't seem very enlightened of you either
      - segfaltnh 2y ago
        Did you mean to reply to me? I didn't claim it was or wasn't okay, or that I was enlightened. I am merely pointing out that one person's journey to separating themselves from being concerned with vanity and status of their vehicle doesn't remove the large population of people predisposed to behave otherwise.
  - The_Colonel 2y ago
    Personally, I stopped fighting this particular battle. I've come to the realization that intangibles matter - some of those might be incidental, some pure personal preferences, some result of me being manipulated by marketing. But separating which is which is not always easy, and I'd rather spend my time on other things. As a result I take "intangibles" as a rational factor in buying decisions even if the intangibles themselves might not necessarily be rational.