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The step-change is real, and a lot of people don't know that Tesla now has the best self-driving ability out of all the competition. But that's only true on 4t

by ta8645 2y ago

The step-change is real, and a lot of people don't know that Tesla now has the best self-driving ability out of all the competition. But that's only true on 4th gen hardware, and unfortunately that represents a minority of the vehicles sold to date.

leesec 2y ago
No they just released 12.5 to hw3 yesterday
- GaggiX 2y ago
  I imagine they have distilled the 12.5 model to fit on the hw3. I will wait to see how it compares, with Tesla sometimes the results are honestly hilarious, "move fast and break things" but on a nearly 2 ton vehicle.
croes 2y ago
>best self-driving ability That's a useless superlative unless it's level 5.
- xur17 2y ago
  Why? Monitoring FSD is noticeably less stressful than driving a normal car.
  - croes 2y ago
    Is it? You always know what you're are doing next.
- leesec 2y ago
  No it sells cars and adds to margin right now
theluketaylor 2y ago
Mercedes is taking legal liability for their L3 system. That's better than Tesla GM's supercruise allows safe hands free driving as a L2 system. That's better than Tesla Waymo is operating a true L4 system in multiple markets. That's better than Tesla. Tesla has a better than average L2 system in autopilot. They have a downright dangerous L2 system in FSD that through its very design encourages unsafe driving habits. It lulls drivers into a false sense of security, but FSD can still hand control to the driver at the very last moment when they are unprepared to safely operate a vehicle. Research has shown the L2 systems that border on L3 capability are dangerous, which is why all of the competition is staying well clear of that design and yet Tesla is forging ahead. There are times when going against the grain is a path to innovation, like Tesla using thousands of small cells to deliver viable BEVs. Or SpaceX using fast iteration on cheap reusable rockets. This isn't one of those cases as research has shown this pathway is not just non-viable, it's a safety risks to the public. There is a reason everyone else is working on L3 and L4 and developing it under carefully controlled testing conditions and methodologies. Tesla just slaps 'beta' on it and sends 4000 lbs of steel out hoping it doesn't run anyone over. When SpaceX rockets blow up during testing no one gets hurt. That is not true of FSD development. I love my Tesla, but FSD is dangerous and the marketing was well into scam territory. There is a reason NHTSA and the FTC both have gotten involved.
- leesec 2y ago
  FSD literally yells at you if you look away for more than 2-3 seconds. it's much safer than not
  - theluketaylor 2y ago
    Actual studies have shown autopilot and fsd are at best average on safety. Given it spends an outsized amount of time limited access roads it's actually worse than manual driving for safety.
  - amluto 2y ago
    In my very recent test drive, it (a) flashed a message that it couldn’t tell whether I was looking at the road because I was wearing sunglasses and would continue operating anyway and (b) very nearly caused a collision due to an inappropriate maneuver in an intersection. For an optimal driver-assisted recovery in the latter incident, I needed to have been paying rather close attention to the navigation, the lane lines, and surrounding vehicles, starting before the incident, and I needed to take a rather fast and considered action. It was dicey. But this would have been a complete nonissue if I were _actually driving the car_, because that’s how humans work. The middle ground of not driving but being ready to override instantly is simply not how humans work.

by ta8645 2y ago

leesec 2y ago

No they just released 12.5 to hw3 yesterday

GaggiX 2y ago
I imagine they have distilled the 12.5 model to fit on the hw3. I will wait to see how it compares, with Tesla sometimes the results are honestly hilarious, "move fast and break things" but on a nearly 2 ton vehicle.

croes 2y ago

>best self-driving ability That's a useless superlative unless it's level 5.

xur17 2y ago
Why? Monitoring FSD is noticeably less stressful than driving a normal car.
- croes 2y ago
  Is it? You always know what you're are doing next.
leesec 2y ago
No it sells cars and adds to margin right now

theluketaylor 2y ago

Mercedes is taking legal liability for their L3 system. That's better than Tesla GM's supercruise allows safe hands free driving as a L2 system. That's better than Tesla Waymo is operating a true L4 system in multiple markets. That's better than Tesla. Tesla has a better than average L2 system in autopilot. They have a downright dangerous L2 system in FSD that through its very design encourages unsafe driving habits. It lulls drivers into a false sense of security, but FSD can still hand control to the driver at the very last moment when they are unprepared to safely operate a vehicle. Research has shown the L2 systems that border on L3 capability are dangerous, which is why all of the competition is staying well clear of that design and yet Tesla is forging ahead. There are times when going against the grain is a path to innovation, like Tesla using thousands of small cells to deliver viable BEVs. Or SpaceX using fast iteration on cheap reusable rockets. This isn't one of those cases as research has shown this pathway is not just non-viable, it's a safety risks to the public. There is a reason everyone else is working on L3 and L4 and developing it under carefully controlled testing conditions and methodologies. Tesla just slaps 'beta' on it and sends 4000 lbs of steel out hoping it doesn't run anyone over. When SpaceX rockets blow up during testing no one gets hurt. That is not true of FSD development. I love my Tesla, but FSD is dangerous and the marketing was well into scam territory. There is a reason NHTSA and the FTC both have gotten involved.

leesec 2y ago
FSD literally yells at you if you look away for more than 2-3 seconds. it's much safer than not
- theluketaylor 2y ago
  Actual studies have shown autopilot and fsd are at best average on safety. Given it spends an outsized amount of time limited access roads it's actually worse than manual driving for safety.
- amluto 2y ago
  In my very recent test drive, it (a) flashed a message that it couldn’t tell whether I was looking at the road because I was wearing sunglasses and would continue operating anyway and (b) very nearly caused a collision due to an inappropriate maneuver in an intersection. For an optimal driver-assisted recovery in the latter incident, I needed to have been paying rather close attention to the navigation, the lane lines, and surrounding vehicles, starting before the incident, and I needed to take a rather fast and considered action. It was dicey. But this would have been a complete nonissue if I were _actually driving the car_, because that’s how humans work. The middle ground of not driving but being ready to override instantly is simply not how humans work.