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Don’t wear one of these near me. I don’t want you recording our everyday conversations as a matter of habit. Ask permission first.

kodjima33 2y ago
Do you tell the same to millions of people who wear headphones and Meta Raybans?
- mplewis 2y ago
  Yes. Get your weirdo cameras away from me.
- borski 2y ago
  Millions of people don’t wear Meta Raybans yet, and headphones aren’t generally recording me without my permission. In CA, recording me in a setting where I have the expectation of privacy is illegal, unless you have asked my permission first. So yes, the law tells that to “millions of people,” if that many people decide to start recording conversations. That has nothing to do with using an AI assistant that only listens to your voice and doesn’t store the recordings.
- teddyh 2y ago
  This was covered with Google Glass ten years ago: <https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/14/glasshole https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/14/glasshole>
- squigz 2y ago
  This is a pretty poor response if you're trying to sell a product.
tbrownaw 2y ago
Move to a jurisdiction that requires all-party consent for recording. Or alternatively, get with the times and recognize that people will sometimes offload some of their mental processing onto silicon.
- NegativeK 2y ago
  We shouldn't have to move states because people are being rude. That's a bit drastic. I totally understand the desire to have computers help us, but telling people to get over it is a blatant rejection of their desire to privacy.
- CTDOCodebases 2y ago
  It makes you wonder what the legal implications are of owning an Amazon, Google or Apple device with a voice assistant turned on in one of these jurisdictions.
  - shagie 2y ago
    Voice assistants have a wake word. There is low power circuitry that is running locally listening for a specific series of syllables and a buffer of a second or two of audio. Once that wake word circuit detects that series of syllables, then it activates the rest of the device and starts streaming the buffer and current audio into whatever systems it has for transcription (or cloud). In many cases, this happens locally. If you have an iPhone, put it airplane mode and say "Siri, what time is it?" And it will respond - all processing is local, no recoding on the cloud for that request. Some other requests may require additional processing. "Hey Siri, where am I?" -> "To do that, you will need to turn off airplane mode." If you have an Amazon device, enable the "Start of request sound" ( https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=21341310011 https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=21341310011 ). With this in place, you can then hear when the wake word has been triggered. None of these devices are constantly recording or streaming to the cloud (aside: consider the network and compute requirements if every iPhone or Android was constantly streaming sound to Apple or Google for it to be recorded). https://www.nxp.com/design/design-center/software/embedded-software/voicespot-wake-word-engine:VOICESPOT https://www.nxp.com/design/design-center/software/embedded-s... https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-sr/en/latest/esp32s3/wake_word_engine/README.html https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-sr/en/latest/esp32s3... https://www.syntiant.com/news/syntiant-low-power-wake-word-solution-available-for-amazons-alexa-voice-service https://www.syntiant.com/news/syntiant-low-power-wake-word-s... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224163648_Fully_integrated_500uW_speech_detection_wake-up_circuit https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224163648_Fully_int... (from 2010, Fully integrated 500uW speech detection wake-up circuit)
WhitneyLand 2y ago
What about an autistic person if they could use it for real-time high level cues on the primary emotion being conveyed? When my son was growing up there were times I wish he didn’t have to struggle or guess as much.
- squigz 2y ago
  Because that's not going to be reliable, and doesn't solve any of the other issues with this technology. Please don't shoehorn us into these conversations about insane privacy-invading gadgets. (I do think AI/LLMs have a lot of potential for making life easier for autistic people, but ... this isn't it.)
- explorigin 2y ago
  This! LLMs have a lot of potential to fill the "support person" role for high-functioning autistics.
  - RockRobotRock 2y ago
    Healthcare is giving autistic people GPU credits every month

kodjima33 2y ago

Do you tell the same to millions of people who wear headphones and Meta Raybans?

mplewis 2y ago
Yes. Get your weirdo cameras away from me.
borski 2y ago
Millions of people don’t wear Meta Raybans yet, and headphones aren’t generally recording me without my permission. In CA, recording me in a setting where I have the expectation of privacy is illegal, unless you have asked my permission first. So yes, the law tells that to “millions of people,” if that many people decide to start recording conversations. That has nothing to do with using an AI assistant that only listens to your voice and doesn’t store the recordings.
teddyh 2y ago
This was covered with Google Glass ten years ago: <https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/14/glasshole https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2013/06/14/glasshole>
squigz 2y ago
This is a pretty poor response if you're trying to sell a product.

tbrownaw 2y ago

Move to a jurisdiction that requires all-party consent for recording. Or alternatively, get with the times and recognize that people will sometimes offload some of their mental processing onto silicon.

NegativeK 2y ago
We shouldn't have to move states because people are being rude. That's a bit drastic. I totally understand the desire to have computers help us, but telling people to get over it is a blatant rejection of their desire to privacy.
CTDOCodebases 2y ago
It makes you wonder what the legal implications are of owning an Amazon, Google or Apple device with a voice assistant turned on in one of these jurisdictions.
- shagie 2y ago
  Voice assistants have a wake word. There is low power circuitry that is running locally listening for a specific series of syllables and a buffer of a second or two of audio. Once that wake word circuit detects that series of syllables, then it activates the rest of the device and starts streaming the buffer and current audio into whatever systems it has for transcription (or cloud). In many cases, this happens locally. If you have an iPhone, put it airplane mode and say "Siri, what time is it?" And it will respond - all processing is local, no recoding on the cloud for that request. Some other requests may require additional processing. "Hey Siri, where am I?" -> "To do that, you will need to turn off airplane mode." If you have an Amazon device, enable the "Start of request sound" ( https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=21341310011 https://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=21341310011 ). With this in place, you can then hear when the wake word has been triggered. None of these devices are constantly recording or streaming to the cloud (aside: consider the network and compute requirements if every iPhone or Android was constantly streaming sound to Apple or Google for it to be recorded). https://www.nxp.com/design/design-center/software/embedded-software/voicespot-wake-word-engine:VOICESPOT https://www.nxp.com/design/design-center/software/embedded-s... https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-sr/en/latest/esp32s3/wake_word_engine/README.html https://docs.espressif.com/projects/esp-sr/en/latest/esp32s3... https://www.syntiant.com/news/syntiant-low-power-wake-word-solution-available-for-amazons-alexa-voice-service https://www.syntiant.com/news/syntiant-low-power-wake-word-s... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224163648_Fully_integrated_500uW_speech_detection_wake-up_circuit https://www.researchgate.net/publication/224163648_Fully_int... (from 2010, Fully integrated 500uW speech detection wake-up circuit)

WhitneyLand 2y ago

What about an autistic person if they could use it for real-time high level cues on the primary emotion being conveyed? When my son was growing up there were times I wish he didn’t have to struggle or guess as much.

squigz 2y ago
Because that's not going to be reliable, and doesn't solve any of the other issues with this technology. Please don't shoehorn us into these conversations about insane privacy-invading gadgets. (I do think AI/LLMs have a lot of potential for making life easier for autistic people, but ... this isn't it.)
explorigin 2y ago
This! LLMs have a lot of potential to fill the "support person" role for high-functioning autistics.
- RockRobotRock 2y ago
  Healthcare is giving autistic people GPU credits every month